Murungi Kathuri

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CURRENT POSITIONS

A member of the 13th Parliament

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP

Chairperson of the Liaison committee.
Vice-Chairperson of the Procedure and Rules committee.

PARLIAMENTARY ACTIVITY

Plenary Contribution 29th March 2023

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Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 29th March, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-arms, I can see the Clerk has established that there is no quorum. Kindly ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Let us transact business. Clerk, proceed. MISTREATMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION METED ON THE FAMILY...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Thank you. STATEMENTS GRABBING OF LAND BELONGING TO KANYARKWAT GROUP RANCH ALLEGED MISMANAGEMENT AT THE SPORTS ARTS AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT FUND POOR STATE OF DELIVERY OF HEALTH SERVICES IN KISUMU COUNTY March 29, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 2 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Still deferred. INACCURATE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you Sen. Beatrice Ogola? (Sen. Mwaruma spoke off record) Okay. Proceed to read on her behalf.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Somebody to work on this screen. Do we have any Member interested in making a comment? Yes, Sen. Maanzo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The next Statement is by Senator for Vihiga County, Sen. Osotsi. March 29, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 3 STATUS OF DEGAZETTEMENT OF KIBIRI FOREST AND SETTLEMENT OF SHIRU/SHAVIRINGA SETTLEMENT SCHEME

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, you approached me to make a comment on your Statement. I can see Standing Order No.53 (4) allows me to give you or any other Senator some minutes to comment at the dispensation of the Chair. So, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Osotsi. Sen. Maanzo, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. Sen. Kisang, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator. Sen. Onyonka, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I recognize the school visiting the Senate. Later, I will give two more Senators a chance to make comments on the same Statement. I see there is a lot of interest in Statements touching on land issues. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni, let me find out whether there are other Senators interested to welcome the students. I will give you the opportunity to make your comments on the Statement. Sen. Mwaruma, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Beth Syengo, please proceed. Lenana School is a school that everybody would like to be associated with. So, I will give two more Senators to welcome the students.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I was to challenge you this afternoon on whether you went to Lenana High School, but luckily, I have got Senator for Homa Bay County, an old boy of Lenana High School.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. M. Kajwang’, you are totally out of order. You cannot discuss the conduct of the Senator for Kakamega County. If he could be here to defend himself, it could be better. Now you want to attack him because he is not around. Please desist...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. M. Kajwang’ these miscellaneous schools have also brought Senators to this House. I am one of those who went to these miscellaneous schools. We thank God. Let us hear from Sen. Okenyuri who is closer to them age wise.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed Sen. Onyonka

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru are you also saying that you were at Lenana School?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Speaker’s Gallery this afternoon, of a delegation from the British Army Training Unit in Kenya, popularly known as BATUK. The delegation is undertaking a study tour in the Senate. I request each member of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us have the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. I had promised to give one more Senator a chance to make a comment on the Statement by Sen. Osotsi. Let me keep my promise and give it to Sen. Cheptumo. (Resumption of debate on Statements)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us get the last Statement from Sen. Crystal Asige.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. I can see some requests here, but I do not know whether they are in support of this Statement by Sen. Crystal Asige. Maybe those who are not interested in this particular one can withdraw their cards. Sen. Maanzo, please make very brief...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. Let us have Sen. Mbugua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Abass Sheikh Mohamed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. The last one, Sen. Beth Syengo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mandago Jackson.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakili Sigei, two minutes kindly.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the time allocated for Statement is over. We are eating into the time of other businesses. So, I kindly request the two Senators who have put their requests to take one minute each. Proceed, Sen. Onyonka.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Thank you. Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) All the Statements stand committed to the relevant Standing Committees of this House. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MUNUNGA HIGH SCHOOL, NAKURU COUNTY The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 97 students accompanied by six teachers from...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru? You should know when to raise a point of order. The Speaker, Rt. Hon. Kingi, has given very clear direction on when to raise a point of order. A point of order is raised when another...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)Under which Standing Order?

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) By my Chair?

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Let us give Sen. M. Kajwang’ time to reply then, I will give you some time to substantiate the issues that I had directed.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Sen. M. Kajwang’, let us conclude with this Bill first.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Permission granted. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) Hon. Members, we will go to the next Order. Where is Sen. Oketch Gicheru to prosecute his matter? You have the Floor. POINT OF ORDER SUBSTANTIATION OF ALLEGATIONS MADE IN THE HOUSE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us allow him to table so that we see it has substance on the--- The Senate Leader of Majority (Sen. Cheruiyot) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I think you did not get my opening statement. This Motion attempts to change some of the provisions of Standing Order No.34, which are already good. I do not think that this House needs to add meeting hours to such days as Wednesday. If there...

I think you did not get my opening statement. This Motion attempts to change some of the provisions of Standing Order No.34, which are already good. I do not think that this House needs to add meeting hours to such days as Wednesday. If there is a very serious issue...

Plenary Contribution 23rd March 2023

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 23rd March, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I thank you for guiding the Procedure and Rules Committee as our Chair. I am your Vice-Chair and whatever decision that has been made even though my signature is not on the report, I fully support the work of the...

Sen. Kathuri Sen. Sifuna, you must be patient with other Members when they are also on the Floor. You know, you contributed without any interference from any source.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, Standing Order No. 191, is giving life to Procedure and Rules Committee. It is very clear that -: “There shall be a Select Committee known as Procedure and House Rules and the Committee shall comprise of the following–

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Bill deferred)Hon. Senators, we are deferring business under Order No.9 to the next sitting. Next Order. THE COUNTY VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 3 OF 2022) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, this debate was interrupted on Tuesday, 21st March, 2023 and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No. This Bill is under debate now. I am opening the Floor for debate.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Education we are very happy because you are one of the chairpersons who has brought a report before the Second Reading of a Bill. I am encouraging other chairpersons to do the same so that Members can...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Bill deferred)If there is no one interested to contribute, I call upon the Mover who is Sen. M. Kajwang’, the owner of this Bill, to reply. If he is not around, then we defer to the next sitting. Next order. THE AGRICULTURAL AND LIVESTOCK EXTENSION SERVICES...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, second the Bill. March 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 53

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Senate Majority Leader. You will have almost 50 minutes because you have one hour to second. So, you will have enough time when this Order resumes. March 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 55 ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30...

Plenary Contribution 22nd March 2023

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Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 22nd March, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Asante sana Bi. Spika wa Muda. Hii Nyumba imerudi kuwa kama ya watoto wadogo wanaopiga kilele. Pande zote mbili ni kama hawakuheshimu. Sen. Cherarkey, upande huu na upande ule mwingine, ni Seneta wa Nairobi. Tafadhali tupa hawa watu nje ili wajue hicho kiti umekikalia vizuri. Kama hautafanya hivyo,...

Plenary Contribution 21st March 2023

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Certified Hansard section Tuesday, 21st March, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to make a brief comment on the first Statement by the Senator for Taita Taveta, Sen. Mwaruma. There has been no recruitment of wildlife rangers in this country since 2016. This is a fact because I have followed the wildlife...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Olekina. Attention, Sen. Olekina! This is no longer Sen. M. Kajwang’s Bill. It is now the property of this House. So, you can recommend as many amendments as possible. Just liaise with him and see where you can make amendments because it...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see many Members are interested in this Bill. Sen. Mungatana, approach Sen. M. Kajwang’ and see what you can do before the Second Reading is over. Make the necessary amendments then we empower the Bill more. The Senate Deputy Minority Leader, Sen. Wambua,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Wambua. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am not the time keeper but I think your time is over. Just pass your next point to Sen. Kibwana. She will say it on your behalf. Sen. Osotsi, many contributors to this Bill have commended the Standing Committee on Education. They have actually...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. We give the Floor to Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Sen. Crystal Asige Kegehi, kindly, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Crystal Asige, you have two minutes to conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tobiko, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Sifuna. You will have a balance of four minutes in the next Sitting.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, it is 6.30 p.m. Therefore, you have a balance of four minutes. I have also noted with concern and no explanation, Sen. Murgor and Sen. Kibwana--- ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The...

Plenary Contribution 7th March 2023

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Certified Hansard section Tuesday, 7th March, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Sen. Kathuri, as you have been told, these are not students from any other school but a giant school. They are smart. They can decode whatever message you give them. Next Order. March 7, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 5

Sen. Kathuri, as you have been told, these are not students from any other school but a giant school. They are smart. They can decode whatever message you give them. Next Order.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

Plenary Contribution 23rd February 2023

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 23rd February, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) From where I sit, I see we have no quorum. That has been confirmed. So, I request the Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Ring the Quorum Bell again for five minutes. Majority Whip,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There are few requests, I do not know whether they are on the same matter. Sen. Maanzo, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Next Order. February 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 2 PAPERS LAID REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO THE 145TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, Vice-Chaiperson, Parliamentary Service Commission. ANNUAL REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENTARY SERVICE COMMISSION FOR THE FY 2021/2022

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS DROUGHT MITIGATION PROGRAMME IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Notice of Motion is by Sen. Kavindu Muthama. COMPENSATION TO KENYAN VICTIMS OF THE 1998 USA EMBASSY BOMBING

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is enough for now.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator. Next is Sen. Mungatana, MGH with a Notice of Motion. NOTING OF RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF PAP

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. The Senate Majority Whip, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed. NOTING OF REPORT OF PARLIAMENT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO THE 145TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order. February 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 5 STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have a couple of Statements. We will start with Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC, Senator for Kisumu County. If my record is right, you have three Statements.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) For neater work, start with the one on misuse of firearms. MISUSE OF FIREARMS BY KWS OFFICERS IN KISUMU COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)Read the second Statement. STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION OF KORU-SOIN DAM

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Thank you. The three Statements to be considered by the relevant Committees. (Statements referred to relevant Committees) Sen. Sifuna, the Nairobi Senator. ALLEGED PLAN BY THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH TO RESTRICT HEALTH WORKS FROM SEEKING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES BROAD

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Very well. What is out of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) I can see several requests on this Statement. Majority Leader?

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale should do that. He has said the Government wants to stop non-practising allowance. I do not know whether he is also interested to get paid by the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) . Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Which year was that, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) If you want to comment on the Statement, you have two minutes each The time you take from your seat to the Dispatch Box is 30 seconds.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, do you want to comment on this? Your card has been on for quite some time. I am confused.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let me give the opportunity to another Member. Do you still want to speak?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. You have two minutes.

Sen. Osotsi microphone went off) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) : Asante sana, Naibu wa Spika. Ningependa kuchangia yale ambaye mwenzangu Seneta wa Nairobi ametaja kwamba kwa usanjari huo kuhusiana na mkataba wa madaktari na mishahara yao. Ni kinaya na kejeli kwamba Serikai ina mkataba na wahudumu madaktari kutoka Cuba...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as a resident of Kiambu County, I would like to welcome the delegation from Sabis International School, Runda. It is a school that I am very well familiar with because I have previously taken my son there for an interview. In...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as a resident of Kiambu County, I would like to welcome the delegation from Sabis International School, Runda. It is a school that I am very well familiar with because I have previously taken my son there for an interview. In as much as he was...

neighborhood; who are friends of my children including the staff of Sabis International School.Additionally, the entrepreneurs; before coming to this House, I was in the financial services sector and was in a group of companies where Centum was part of it.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to congratulate the entrepreneurs...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Draw the Bars and open the doors. Now, let us go to the previous Order again and clear the Statements. Let us get the Statement from Sen. Chute. (Resumption of debate on Statements) AYES: 32 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Draw...

Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labor and Social Welfare on the non-remittance of statutory deductions from the staff of the County Government of Marsabit to the National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) , National...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding re-introduction of Bank charges on mobile wallets such as Mpesa, Airtel Money and T-Kash. In the Statement, the Committee should- The Deputy...

Sorry, Mr. Deputy Speaker sir, I was not aware that my Statement was in todays Order Paper. Kindly excuse me and allow me to read it in the next Session. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay.

Thank you. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kibwana and Sen. Tabitha Mutinda are not on the House. Their statements are therefore deferred to the next sitting. Let us have at least two comments from both sides of the House. Sen. Kisang, the Floor is yours.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Proceed, Sen. Kibwana; can you expedite. February 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 19 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Lands Environment and Natural...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Lands Environment and Natural resources on the steps taken to achieve Kenya’s greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets set out in the Nationally Determined Contribution (NDCs)...

I have two Statements. Which one do you have? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Only one was recorded. You cannot read something I do not have. Otherwise, you can read “mwakenya” in the House.

I had two. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The one which is approved is the influx of Cuban doctors. The other one might be pending. Kindly read this one.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding claims of fraudulent activities involving customer’s accounts at various Kenyan banks. In the Statement, the Committee...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding claims of fraudulent activities involving customer’s accounts at various Kenyan banks. In the Statement, the Committee should- The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

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Before I give a Statement, I am laughing because it is my birthday and the Senator for Migori County has gifted me Kshs100 for tea. (Laughter) February 23, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 26

It was not your money. Before I read my Statement, I would like to speak about one thing on the Statement on health by my good friend, Sen. Kibwana. I heard the comments of my good friend, Sen. Olekina. I hear his sentiments and concerns that we also keep raising...

On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Cheruiyot, the Uasin Gishu Senator wants to inform you on something.

Okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Something has not come out clearly on this matter of doctors, salaries and human resource at the county. The payment of salaries in counties is not a favour to doctors or any other civil servant, but a right. The fact of the matter is...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wanted to inform the Senate Majority Leader, that the delay of salary payments in counties does not affect doctors only. When there is a delay, the entire county public service staff is affected. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Laughter)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair] Yes. Mla mamba, sorry. The crocodile eater. (Laughter) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair]

Thank you very much, Sen. Cherarkey for seconding this Bill. (Question proposed) I call upon the Hon. Senator for Nyeri County, Sen. Wamatinga, to the Floor.

Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support and congratulate Sen. Mungatana for that timely Bill. Optimization and evaluation of processes is only possible if a feedback mechanism is created. For any efficient system to run, it is important to set a 360 degrees feedback mechanism....

Plenary Contribution 22nd February 2023

Presiding activity · not counted

Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 22nd February, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we want to confirm whether we have quorum. Clerk, kindly advise. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Kindly ring the quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Let us transact the business of the day. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hold on. Sen. Maanzo, I am not happy with the sound. Maybe, the technical team can kindly improve on the sound.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cheptumo, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okenyuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante. Nikiendelea na Kiswahili na tukimalizia, Sen. Maanzo ni rafiki yangu ambaye tumejuana kutoka mwaka wa 2013 wakati tuliingia Bunge la Taifa. Ningependa kuwaambia hawa wanafunzi wa Makueni kwamba wakifuata maadili, heshima na utendakazi uadilifu wa Sen. Maanzo, wataenda mbali. Sen. Okenyuri, umewashauri wakina dada...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. I give you the first opportunity to welcome your guests.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you Senator. You are the Government. I am happy that you are one of the “bottom up” Senators that we have in this House. Therefore, your encouragement is quite in order. Let us have one encouragement from Sen. Cheptumo. He is a veteran leader...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. Most of the students might be aspiring to be professors and lawyers. Therefore, let us hear from Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda who is a distinguished Senior Counsel in this Republic.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC. This House has two professors. I would be very unfair if I also do not recognize Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, the Deputy Speaker Emeritus, to also give a word of counsel to our students.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante sana, Seneta wa Kaunti ya Bungoma. Lakini, kuna methali moja umebuni leo sijasikia tena; panapo vijana chipukizi, wazee hutoa jasho. (Laughter) February 22, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 8 VISITING DELEGATION FROM ST. ANNE, GITUBA GIRLS SECONDARY SCHOOL, KIRINYAGA COUNTY The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) In...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante sana. VISITING DELEGATION FROM PIONEER GIRLS’ SCHOOL, MURANG’A COUNTY The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 61 students accompanied by five teachers from Pioneer Girls’ Secondary School in Murang’a County. They are in the Senate on an educational...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make this afternoon. It is in regard to changes in the leadership of the Senate Minority Side. CHANGES IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE SENATE MINORITY PARTY (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) February 22, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 10 The Deputy...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)On a point of order. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) I must make my communication and then--- An

On a point of order. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)was not a matter before the Tribunal and was, therefore, not covered by the Order of the Tribunal.Sen. Sifuna thus urged the Chair to separate matters that were not covered by the Order issued by the Tribunal and to, therefore, give...

Follow the Standing Orders. (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) February 22, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 13 [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] POINT OF ORDER REQUEST...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)not around but these are people I know well and we can have a conversation considering we know each other beyond politics.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we talked and agreed to approach the Speaker to see if we could reach a point of agreement. This is for...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I, first, thank the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, for magnanimously agreeing to have a discussion between him and me with the intention of trying to calm the tension that we have had in the House this afternoon. Leadership is not easy. If you...

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Senate Minority Leader, proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. You were properly in order. (Sen. Orwoba approached the Chair) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to address you. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)I will say the second thing. It is such a time as this that leaders demonstrate their abilities. It is at a time of crisis that true leadership is shown. The challenge for all of us, not just for those of us who have been named...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Whatever that happened in this Chamber is highly regretted. I hope that we can carry ourselves with decorum and look into the future in a more progressive way. Sometimes, things degenerate out of provocation. Like I said, I do...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)That said, if there was any act that was demeaning, that I might have done in this case unknowingly, I do apologize.I thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. Indeed, what happened in this House this afternoon was a real disgrace because the Deputy Speaker was actually disrespected. We almost became a market place because we were not even following the rules of the House....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a House of honour and the seat of the Speaker is very important for us to transact business on behalf of the people who elected us. We have serious matters pending before this House, for instance, the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)While you were away for a short break, a few ugly scenarios of exchanges happened, that had to involve leaders such us to come in. We are extremely mature and responsible leaders. Unfortunately, we are all politicians and political interest comes to play from time to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I want to quote scriptures. The Bible says, we have all got short of God’s glory. No one is holier than God. We are limited as human beings. We all bear our superscription of God because...

While you were away for a short break, a few ugly scenarios of exchanges happened, that had to involve leaders such us to come in. We are extremely mature and responsible leaders. Unfortunately, we are all politicians and political interest comes to play from time to time.It is extremely respectful...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango, proceed. (Laughter) (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)If there are any controversial communications, it will be good for the leadership to consult if possible and maybe discuss, before coming to the Floor of the House.Finally, the Senator for Kirinyaga County said he has some issues. The issue arose from the fact that the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nitachukua dakika moja tu wala sio mbili. Kwanza, ninatoa shukrani kubwa kuona Kiongozi wa Wengi na wa Wachache, wamekaa chini pamoja na Commissioner Omogeni na kuzungumza ili kupata suluhisho. Kusema kweli, huu ni muhula wangu wa pili...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Applause)

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nitachukua dakika moja tu wala sio mbili. Kwanza, ninatoa shukrani kubwa kuona Kiongozi wa Wengi na wa Wachache, wamekaa chini pamoja na Commissioner Omogeni na kuzungumza ili kupata suluhisho. Kusema kweli, huu ni muhula wangu wa pili katika Bunge la Seneti; Bunge...

Not on this one, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)In the last Parliament, we also adopted a report on the historical injustices against the Talai community. From where you sit, even your behavior, you are looking like a Talai. So, all those issues in that report were...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, what is out of order?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)giving them cash to resettle and compensating them. These are the people that have suffered.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, most of our people in Nandi County suffered especially in Tinderet and parts of Nandi Hills. I saw an expose by British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) about...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I safe? (Loud consultations) I was just exercising my powers as a Whip but not at the right time. It does not make sense to me that after you have spent an entire afternoon trying to return the House to an...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have a series of Statements. We will start with Sen. Wambua. (Loud consultations) Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I safe? (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, just consult Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. He is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You know when you become emotional, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you begin singing. (Laughter) Do not exchange with the Deputy Speaker in that manner. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can you be clear on this matter because two Senators are not comfortable? They...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on the afforestation programme in Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) . In the Statement, the Committee should- [The Deputy...

Plenary Contribution 21st February 2023

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Certified Hansard section Tuesday, 21st February, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I want the Clerk to ascertain whether we have quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table ascertained that there was quorum) Let us proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Applause)(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is fine. Maybe I did not hear you properly. However, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale should behave himself. (Loud consultations) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR DEFERMENT OF COMMUNICATION TO THE HOUSE ON CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP IN THE MINORITY COALITION The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

February 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 2 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have gone full circle. This is a very interesting debate. If I were to be honest, and I want to be as candid as I can be, I am a bit confused on this...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly, I am following a list here. You have already placed you card. Just have your cool and wait. I will give you that opportunity. Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)If you read Standing Order No.103 - and I am happy that I am in this House with my colleague, Senior Counsel Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda - it prescribes that even when there are proceedings that can be deemed to be sub judice, there is a...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, today we are here. There is a court order, but there is something different. I have taken time to look at the court order. Unlike in all the previous court orders that were addressed to the Senate, this one specifically mentions you as the Speaker. That...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, do not be intimidated by me or the Senate Minority Leader. Walk the narrow path of the rule of law. There is a court order against you ruling on this thing. Wait. When it is discharged, do your work. Mr. Deputy...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hope that your children are watching. I will be saying a few things, and I hope that I can inspire them to be future senators of Nairobi. First, I am happy that we have come to this juncture. I was...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, my system never works, but my seat never moves. (Laughter) February 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 8

We were not elected to come here and waste taxpayers’ money discussing little things as to who sits in which Committee and representing which side of the House; we were elected to come here to do oversight, discuss the budget and represent our people.I appeal to the chief administrator of...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Thank you. Sen. Cheptumo, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)(Applause)(Applause) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hope that your children are watching. I will be saying a few things, and I hope that I can inspire them to be future senators of Nairobi. First, I am happy that we have come to this juncture. I was...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)I am surprised at my senior brother, Sen. Madzayo. There was no ruling that came from that Chair. The then Speaker, Hon. Lusaka, just noted the changes. He did not even give a ruling.I remember the former Senator of Elgeyo-Marakwet County, who is currently a Cabinet...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I said that I am adding my voice to a discourse that has been before his House for the last four sittings; a discourse that was initiated by the Minority side, but largely now of interest to the Majority side. (Laughter) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you carefully read Standing Order No.23, which I have read up to the end, we are engaged in what Shakespeare would call, “too much ado about nothing.”Once you receive communication of changes from the Minority, the Standing Orders do not require you to do anything....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving me an opportunity to share my thoughts on this matter. I am very worried, that we as a Senate, seem to be ploughing back our powers, surrendering them to the Judiciary. In the history of development of Parliaments, we have fought...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Crystal Asige you have one more minute kindly wind up.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator of Makueni. That will actually relieve this Chair from all this agony. If you are in my shoes, you must know what I am carrying on my shoulders. I can see today Sen. Sifuna is really sympathetic to me. (Laughter) Thank you,...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It was a simple Communication that has now burned the House down. We are the “upper” House while the National Assembly is the “lower” House. However, it seems that the National Assembly is the lower House with an upper hand because of issues such...

They do not understand what is going on in this House. Let me be honest. We all know that. I pray that you will make the Communication, especially as Sen. Sifuna has said on the position Deputy Minority Whip if that has not been put in the PPDT.(Sen. Crystal Asige’s...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Onyonka, who are you informing? Sen. Oburu Odinga? (Laughter)

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senior, what is it again?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No. You know I have been so lenient the whole of the afternoon and now you are taking me back again to the same thing we have concluded. (The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) spoke off record) So, who is the owner of the Court...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just give me a minute. It is so important. I have been waiting, sitting here for the last three hours. (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Onyonka, just a minute. I will give you a chance--- February 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 22 (Loud consultations)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know that I should not be on the Floor when you are there, but gentlemen, relax. Take it easy. You are now in power. Power is transitory. Relax. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Onyonka! Hon. Senators, I am making my second Communication. VISITING...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, the 21st of February, 2023. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is the Report of the Standing Committee on Education on its consideration of the County Vocational, Educational and Training Bill, 2022....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise on Standing Order No. 2 on interpretation of the Standing Orders. Let us not act as if we just dropped out of school yesterday. We are guided by these Standing Orders. These Standing Orders define what a Whip is....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who has violated the Standing Orders?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with all due respect---

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise on Standing Order No. 2 on interpretation of the Standing Orders. Let us not act as if we just dropped out of school yesterday. We are guided by these Standing Orders. These Standing Orders define what a Whip is. What you are being invited...

I do not want to say that the Chair is completely out of order. However, by violating these Standing Orders--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who has violated the Standing Orders?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order.

I have clearly indicated that the Chair is violating the Standing Orders. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on the acquisition and distribution of relief supplies by the County Government of Marsabit and neighbouring counties sourced by...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have two Statements this afternoon. The first Statement is on disaster preparedness in Kisumu County. Mr. Speaker Deputy Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security Defense and Foreign Relations regarding...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my second Statement is on the invasion of the Ahero rice fields by quelea birds in Kisumu County. I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries regarding the invasion of the Ahero...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on the acquisition and distribution of relief supplies by the County Government of Marsabit and neighbouring counties sourced by the Counties Development Fund. In...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to request for a Statement from the Standing Committee on Trade, Industrialization and Tourism on the ownership status and revival of Mwea Cotton Ginnery. In the Statement, the Committee should- REGISTRATION AND WELFARE OF PEOPLE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Kindly, let us go to the next Order.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is raising is a concern. I thought it is good to just share that once a Member raises a question or a Statement, we take up the issues with the relevant ministry. When a written answer is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am constrained with time. I give Sen. Orwoba one minute. February 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 39 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Madam Temporary Speaker, I am winding up. The report must be tabled.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not purport to speak on behalf of the other chairs because you are the Chair of Chairs. All I want to tell the Senator for Kakamega County who raised that issue, is that the President had seen this problem. That is why he proposed...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Plenary Contribution 16th February 2023

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 16th February, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I ascertain that we have quorum. So, let us transact business. Please proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. POINT OF ORDER ALLEGED DELAY IN COMMUNICATING TO THE HOUSE CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP IN THE MINORITY COALITION The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Which Standing Order is your point of order from? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Communication from the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see requests and interventions.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I rise to inquire from the Chair’s desk on the Communication that the Chair promised to deliver in terms of the leadership of the Minority side. We know from history that what goes around comes around....

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see requests and interventions. February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 2 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can you kindly execute your issues without referring to the---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have been very lenient to you.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have agreed from the onset that I have a lot of respect for you and I am not disrespecting you in any way. Therefore, I would like to know--- (Sen. Cheruiyot spoke off record) I am not speaking to the Senate Majority Leader. Senate Majority...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I said yesterday that I have no interest whatsoever in the leadership that the minority side choose to bring. What I will not allow is for us--- (Loud Consultations) I appreciate that Mr. Speaker, Sir. but let us respect---...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I wanted to make a very simple proposal that the Senate Minority Leader has asked you a very simple question that they came yesterday with a letter to you and they expected the Speaker to give a communication on the same.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. (Loud Consultations) I wanted to make a very simple proposal that the Senate Minority Leader has asked you a very simple question that they came yesterday with a letter to you and they expected the Speaker to give a communication on the same....

I was sitting with him when I handed the letter.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, can I be heard in silence? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, proceed. The Senate Majority Leader (

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is my point of order. It is not synchronised with the Senate Minority Leader. We do not and I do not expect a ruling. If you are going to give a ruling, then you will be taking powers that do...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We will not rise to the attempts by the Senator for Homa Bay County to invite me and the Chair to the bad manners of name-calling. The point of order raised by Sen. Madzayo is important, if we are...

This House is the last frontier for free speech. I have a lot of respect for the Chair. I do not expect the Chair to gag us. I have a lot of respect for the Chair as an institution and the gentleman sitting on the Chair. This is the last...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that opportunity will have been lost. If you want to be informed, it should be right away. February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 9

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, speaking with the dignity that is bestowed to us by this House, the Speaker then informed Sen. Madzayo to organize his changes, write to him and the matter will be processed. (Loud consultations) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, no, because he did...

I will allow you to inform me after I conclude. I am not your enemy. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey and the Senate Minority Leader, have your seats. Hon. Senators, resume your seats. I will listen to everyone present in this House today. Sen. Sifuna, when you come to the Chair waving the Constitution, how do I give you the opportunity to speak...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hautanitisha. These are the numbers and numbers do not lie. Protect me--- (Loud Consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)

Next order. February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 11

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Just a minute. Let me also give some more guidance. When the Speaker leaves his desk to preside over the House, we do not carry any documents from the office. Everything is in these files. When we moved to Order No.2, there was no communication...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to read Article 107 which states- “1) At any sitting of a House of Parliament— (Loud consultations) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 13 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Standing Order No.45--- (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) The Deputy...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me thank you for the direction you have given. You have brought some sanity. My only fear is that your directive is purporting to mean that the secretariat has not done its work. That is something dangerous. I would like to persuade you, going by...

I am requesting, not directing. Fair enough, let me complete my sentence. You have done something good and I want to thank you for that. You have told us here that anytime the communication comes to your desk, you shall read it. I thank you for that. Give us three...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As I conclude---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have re-organized the Order Paper before. Do not be invited to the circus that I am seeing here. (Loud consultations)

I am on the Floor. All of us are colleagues. We must behave in a respectful manner towards each other. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you do not need to shout because we are not in a public rally. Can I conclude? The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you need to protect me because I am not an expert in demonstrations or maandamano. (Laughter) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 15 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No point of Order. Nothing is out of Order, Sen. Osotsi.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Resume your seat, Sen. Sifuna.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. I have made a very good ruling on this matter. (Loud consultations) Ai, kwani unatisha nani wewe? Peleka huko. Kwenda kabisa. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have a Message from the Speaker of the County Assembly of Nyandarua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You do not conduct business by force. February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 17 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru and Sen. Sifuna, I do not want to mention the third Senator who I have been lenient to. I wanted to give an opportunity...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)An. Hon. Senator: Reply! (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 19 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, what are you getting? Is it the Communication from the Speaker? Do you have it? The Senate Minority Leader (

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Where is the Communication? Where is it? Is it this letter?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Resume your seats. (Loud consultations)An. There is the HANSARD. There is also a notice that I had given; a forwarding letter, minutes and signatures of Senators who have signed. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) : This is a Petition by the Speaker of Nyandarua County Assembly.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 20 (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, I am on the Floor and you know the rules of this House. (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Where is the Communication? Where is it? Is it this letter?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud Consultations) (Loud consultation) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 21 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)of the Parliament Service Commission (PSC) Under Article 127(2) (d) of the Constitution.Pursuant to the said Standing Orders, I now report the message. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 41(1) of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order! Proceed, Senate Minority Whip.

Shame! Shame! (Loud consultations)

Shame! (Loud consultations) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 22 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, I am on the Floor and you know the rules of this House.

You are violating the Constitution by violating the Standing Orders. (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, Standing Order No.48 (7) states that--- “ (3) When a Message from a County Assembly --- (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 23 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I want to reorganize the business of the day. We...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Both the Senate Minority Leader and Sen. Olekina should leave the Chamber until tomorrow. Both of you should leave the House. (Loud consultations) (Loud Consultations) MESSAGE FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY APPROVAL OF HON. JOHNSON MUTHAMA AS MEMBER OF THE PSC February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the Nyandarua County Assembly; the county I represent in the Senate for this Petition they have done to the Senate. This Petition is long overdue and for the benefit of the members here today, Sasumua Dam is one that contributes about 14...

Kenya got Independence; treaties that were signed by the Britons in 1902. Those treaties state that the people of Nyandarua County and Njambini area are only supposed to take care of the water and not use it.The Kenoike Dam is also in Nyandarua County and serves to a big percentage...

I rise to lay on the Table of this House the following Papers, today, 16th February, 2022. RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF THE PAN-AFRICAN PARLIAMENT ANNUAL REPORT AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF THE POWER OF MERCY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE FY 2021/2022....

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Thank you. (Question proposed) Do we have any Member wishing to contribute? Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you may have the Floor. THE COUNTY VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 3 OF 2022) APPROVAL OF THE SENATE CALENDAR FOR THE SECOND SESSION OF THE THIRTEENTH...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for indulging me. Colleagues, you understand that we are living in very unique times. Therefore, when we get a little breather and some sense of sanity in the House, we want to move as fast as possible and transact as much as we...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Any Member who wants to--- Sen. Cheptumo, you may proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. I recognize that this House can manage its own agenda. I am reminded of those days before the Constitution, 2010 when this House could be controlled from outside. Today, we have the capacity, the legal framework to manage...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Sen. Munyi Mundigi, you may second.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Sen. Munyi Mundigi, kabla uondoke, sijasikia ukisema kama unaunga mkono au la, ama umekuwa ukizungumza kuhusu mambo mengine? Umeunga mkono kweli?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion. I am in support of the changes that have been made by the leadership of this House. I am looking at the changes made in the Standing Committee on Tourism, Trade and Industrialisation where I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika kwa fursa hii. Ningependa pia kuunga mkono Hoja hii. Nashukuru viongozi wa chama kwa kunipa nafasi ya kutumikia wananchi katika Kamati ya Ugatuzi na Mahusiano ya Kiserikali. Sisikitiki kuondolewa kutoka Kamati ya Ugatuzi na Mahusiano ya Kiserikali kwa sababu nimejifunza mengi...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, before I reply, I would like to say that I actually had a good time serving in the Senate Committee on Information, Communication and Technology (ICT) as the Vice Chairperson. I hope that all the things we started working on will...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you very much. I also support and take this opportunity to welcome the Senator. February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 32

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)of funds that the counties engage in or have not limited to water companies, conservancies agreements and regional blocs investments that any county would have engaged in.I do believe that the Senator together with the Members of the Committee will continue looking into the mandate of...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to move the Motion on the approval of changes in the membership of Standing Committees. THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING, the resolutions of the Senate made on 13th October, 2022 and 15th November, 2022, on the approval of Senators to serve in Select Committees of the Senate,...

Bw. Naibu wa Spika, naunga mkono hayo yote yamesomwa hapa. Pia, ni aibu kubwa sana kwa yale yaliyotendeka siku ya leo katika Kenya kwa sababu walikuwa wanapiga kelele kama Mwenyekiti amekalia kiti. Tumeona yale waliokuwa wakisema kwa muda mrefu. Seneta alisema ile siku tutakuwa tukipitisha mambo ya Independent Electoral and...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Laughter) (Applause)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education on Reversal of Delocalization of Teachers’ Policy in Embu County by the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . In the Statement, the Committee should-...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of this Motion. I congratulate my friend Sen. Kisang’ on the new assignment. I also wish to congratulate the leadership of the Majority Side for the way they have treated us, especially the new Senators. We are happy. We have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)also given an opportunity to teach and serve the children and the parents from the places where they are able to do the best in terms of teaching.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I therefore, encourage the chairperson of the Committee on Education together with his team to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of order on, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, the Speaker has got the discretion to allow you to speak or not. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Statement on the implementation of the...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education on Reversal of Delocalization of Teachers’ Policy in Embu County by the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . In the Statement, the Committee should- February 16, 2023 SENATE DEBATES...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare on the status and welfare of baby Junior Sagini, whose eyes were gouged out after he was allegedly abducted by his relatives. In the Statement,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, before you rule on that matter, as I was saying, apart from the--- (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri):

Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri): Hon. Members, could you, please take your seats? We now have quorum. I order for the Division Bell to stop. Sen. Cherarkey, you were on the Floor. (Resumption of debate on Statements) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei)...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I wish to thank the Senator for his Statement. I support this Statement because across the country, there have been serious complaints on the fact that initially, the delocalization programme was meant to achieve a very important principle of ensuring that we can be...

teachers, they should allocate the posting of teachers in those schools. We prefer teachers from those areas with insecurity to be posted there.For instance, in Baringo, I would encourage the TSC - and I will raise this when the Committee will be considering the Statement - that teachers from Baringo...

Plenary Contribution 15th February 2023

4 contributions in 1 section

Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 15th February, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to comment briefly on the two petitions. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will comment on the first Petition from Uasin Gishu County. As you know, our youths are very desperate because there are no jobs. When they hear of overseas job...

Sen. Kathuri(Applause) February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 20 (Applause)

On a point of Order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please proceed, Majority Whip. PROCEDURAL MOTIONS LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON MOTIONS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please proceed, Majority Whip.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following procedural Motion- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 111 (1) , the Senate resolves that debate on a Motion not sponsored by the Majority or Minority Party or a Committee shall be limited in the following manner- A maximum of three...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Cherargei. Do you want to contribute? Okay, proceed. February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 33

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Procedural Motion. I thank the Majority Side for bringing this Motion. We agreed that 20 minutes is sufficient for the Mover, the Majority and Minority side, although I can see they are not there. They must be busy with other things...

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) : Thank you, Sen. Wakili Sigei. I now call upon the Mover to reply. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you must be very attentive because you are the owner of this Motion.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the three Members who have contributed to this Motion. I beg to reply. (Question put and agreed to)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) From where I sit, no Senator is willing to contribute. So, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. Proceed, Senate Majority Whip.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to reply and wish to thank the House for being united in the urgency of this matter. I beg to reply. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (2) , I determine that this matter does not affect counties....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I second. (Question proposed) February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 36

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, ordinarily, the President is expected to address the House once every year. In that particular Address, he addresses all sectors affecting the country. Limiting the time is for a good reason. Therefore, as and when the President has addressed the House,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir for this opportunity. Limitation is very important. However, in future, in the interest of time, and to dispense of the business; the Senate Business Committee (SBC) and the House leadership can decide to standardise it to 20 minutes for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, to defend this seat that I am sitting on, the Speaker has no vote. When you are told kata, it is not the Speaker who does the ‘kataring’. It is the House that makes the decision because the Speaker always puts question whether...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Bill deferred)This Bill is sponsored by Sen. Danson Mutangana, the Senator for Tana River County, who is not in the Chamber. The Bill is, therefore, deferred. THE COUNTY VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 3 OF 2022) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) (Bill deferred)This...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, looking at the time that we still have, it is like one hour and thirty minutes before the close of business.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 41

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when you rule, I will be well guided. I believe when you speak, you will not only do so as the Deputy Speaker of the House, but also as a member of Njuri Njeke. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, all these issues you have...