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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there is no quorum in the House to proceed. I, therefore, order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. The Whips and their Deputies are directed to ensure that Members are present in the House. (The Quorum Bell was rung)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just follow up so that we can know the status by the end of the day. Go ahead. Next Order. 11th March 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do we have Hon. Machele, the Hon. Member...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kasiwai

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lochakapong, do you have a follow up question too?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mizighi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Ngogoyo. Hon. Kangogo, I hope you are noting this down. Two more are coming. You will take them together. Proceed, Hon. Ngogoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jayne Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finally, let us have Hon. Hillary.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No. We are asking follow up questions, not contributions. Hon. Kangogo, go ahead. As you do so, note what I told you 11th March 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)earlier. Anything in the upcoming Budget is a proposal. Parliament...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the issue. Members are saying that you cannot take water from Turkwel to oil fields and consumption in Lokichar and leave out where the water is being treated. That is the issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think he is a bit comprehensive now. Hon. Kangogo, take your seat. Can we wind this up?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is okay. I think that is well said. Hon. Kasiwai, what is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Kangogo, as you respond to that, please also address the question raised by Hon. Hilary Kiplagat. I was happy to hear from you that this project is still at the design stage. As you respond, please note the issue raised by Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think we dispense with that and ask Hon. Kasiwai and Hon. Lochakapong to keep an eye on the ball in that regard. I will indulge Hon. Machele, if he is in the House, to raise his Question 326. Go ahead. 11th March 2026...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Member, are you a member of the Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Machele, the first week when we come back from recess, please ensure that you follow up on the same.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think that ends that section. Next Order. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Precious Blood Primary and Junior Secondary School, Juja, Kiambu County. They are here to follow our proceedings,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, also seated in the Public Gallery are students from Briar Rose Junior School, Lang’ata Constituency in Nairobi County, and students from Turasha Secondary School, Kipipiri, Nyandarua County. They are all welcome to our proceedings this morning. Next Order. 11th March 2026 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this matter will be made the next time it appears on the Order Paper. Therefore, the putting of the Question is deferred to the next time it appears on the Order Paper. For the convenience of the House, I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE NATIONAL LAND COMMISSION

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us proceed to Order No. 10. THE UNIVERSITIES (AMENDMENT) (NO. 5) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mejjadonk Gathiru.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Mwago.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, both of you, for such eloquent proposition of the Bill on the Floor. (Question proposed) 11th March 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Before I give the first person to contribute on this, we have students from Greensvale...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Now, on the Bill, the first bite on my table will be Hon. Rahim Dawood of Imenti North if not North Imenti. What is the order of the wording? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Bondo, Hon. Ochanda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kinangop, Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do they offer the courses because they have infrastructure to offer them or they have huge infrastructure and therefore they are looking for a chance of getting money? That is the question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have a simple question on this matter. You are an expert on this issue. What happens, for example, if tomorrow the Moi University School of Medicine (SOM) started offering diploma in all the courses offered by the Kenya Medical Training College (KMTC) ?...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Before we have, Hon. Nyikal we have students from Kuikui Secondary School in Baringo North, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. 11th March 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’)Hon. Nyikal, as you contribute, also...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Member for Siaya is ready to contribute but I have a different order here. The next person to speak is the Member for 11th March 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Bureti, who will be followed by...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Ndakwa of Malava.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Githinji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Rahab Mukami. Is it Hon. Rahab Mukami? (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before I give a chance to the Member for Kesses, in the Public Gallery, we have students from, Mwangaza Secondary School, Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County, Mama Ngina University, Gatundu North in Kiambu County, and Kamiti Secondary School, Roysambu, Nairobi County. They...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Minority Whip. Those who are raising their hands now, we have five minutes to go. I have just given Hon. Millie a chance to speak. This Bill still has an hour next time it is in the Order Paper.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No, they are not, for the reason that I know who the Minority Whip is. This Bill still has an hour. Those who do not get a chance this afternoon will get a chance next time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) An issue arose earlier that you must have a degree if you want to be a Member of the County Assembly (MCA) . Some universities have set up a dubious course called Diploma in Leadership. How specialised is that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, there is still a balance of one hour and five minutes in this Bill. So, you will get a chance to contribute next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson, report.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, thank you very much for your patience on this. (Question proposed) I would be mindful to take any few interventions if there are any. If there are no interventions, then I would, for obvious reasons, Hon. Chepkonga, pend the putting of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Francis Kimani Kuria. You cannot do that and you know it. (Laughter) 19th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Jomvu, do you want to speak on this? This is your chance to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga, you are all now confusing the House. There is definitely a difference between the Global Centre for Adaptation and the Russian. Please, go ahead and tell us the difference.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Marsabit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Baringo County, what happened to your card? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mwingi Central, do you want to contribute to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There being no other interest on this, I call upon the Mover, Hon. Gichimu, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we defer putting of the Question on that particular Motion to the next time it is listed in the Order Paper. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON DISCRIMINATION OF SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION TEACHERS The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Motion deferred)I would imagine that you were informed about this. We stand down Order No. 15. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF NGAAF FOR FY 2016/2017 TO 2021/2022 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is this the same?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For the convenience of the House, could you please call out Order No. 18 first. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR NG-CDF FOR CONSTITUENCIES IN NAKURU COUNTY FY 2013/2014 TO 2021/2022 19th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 55 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Motion deferred)The Order is stood down until next time it is in the Order Paper. Let us go back to Order No. 17 ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR THE JUDICIARY MORTGAGE SCHEME FUND FROM FY 2011/2012 TO 2021/2022 Committee on its consideration of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I did not know he was your brother. Proceed, Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. Debate on this Bill will continue next time it is listed on the Order Paper.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! You know very well that you will have a chance to reply. You are the Mover of the Bill. Ensure the day you are replying, your friend and brother Hon. Oundo is in the House to listen to your reply. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as commented earlier, those who want to contribute to this Bill, please, press the intervention button. The next Member on line is the Hon. Member for North Imenti, Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, before Hon. Irene Mayaka contributes, join me in welcoming students from Pharo School, Embakasi Central Constituency, Nairobi County. They are here to follow proceedings this morning and are welcome. I urge Hon. Mayaka to welcome them as she makes her...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I cannot see the Member for Lamu East in the House. Is she in the House? Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County, Hon. Ng’elechei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Makueni County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you for that. Hon. Umulkher, I hope you know that you can also file amendments to this Bill by yourself. Before I give opportunity to the Member for Kibwezi West, in the Public Gallery are students from Kamuwongo Mixed Secondary School from Mwingi...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jessica, I am informed that you contributed to this Bill last time. Today, when we started the House, you were not in, so you lost eight minutes. Approach the Chair, please. As she does that, we will have the Member for Mwingi West...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! I would if you did not go where you are going. You are going on a terrible tangent.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Ruweida.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Aseka, did you actually say that there is a Russian guy supplying electricity?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If that is what you meant, then I would ask that you withdraw the use of the words ‘supplying electricity’. 18th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jessica Mbalu, you have four minutes to make your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie, I hope you can make your point in three minutes. We need to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. Hon. Donya, you have the chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Go ahead. 18th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nzengu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The offenders or those offended? Hon. Donya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. As requested,the putting of the question on this Bill will be made the next time we have the capacity to do so. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. I do not think anybody would have moved that Bill as well as you have. You have done it the right way. If we were in a court of law, I am sure the judge would have tilted your way...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Papers are laid. We go back to Order No. 16. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, this is your chance to second.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The first bite of the cherry will be the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, I know this Bill has generated a lot of interest. We have three hours on it. I request your patience. Do not pressure me. Only one person must speak at a time. As I give the Member for Molo...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Ruweida Obo in? Hon. John Gitonga of Manyatta is the next in line.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I would like to read the list out for you, so that you do not raise your hands. The next person in line is Hon. Charles Ngusya, followed by Hon. Gitonga Murugara. It is that simple.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara, followed by Hon. Babu Owino.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I had already given out to the Member speaking next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will have Hon. Basil, Hon. Mayaka, Hon. Sabina Chege and Hon. John Waweru in that order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Mayaka, Hon. Sabina, then Hon. Waweru.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sabina Chege.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. KJ.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Beatrice Adagala, thank you for your patience. You will be followed by Hon. Nebart Muriuki.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mbeere South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Narok North, then the Member for Kipipiri. 11th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kipipiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Githunguri, followed by the Member for Baringo North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it Hon. Muthende or Hon. Wa Muthende? This is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kericho, followed by Hon. Jayne Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Naivasha.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ugunja, followed by Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Central Imenti, followed by the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you sit down, I have heard this a lot, and we are coming to the end of this discussion. I have heard it since I sat here: That there is no value in a dead body. Why are we struggling to get them...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. I have not finished. I am asking why we are struggling to get these bodies buried. As Africans, we culturally believe that we should bury our dead, right? I have not heard anybody talk about it. The families are struggling to bury their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) People do not bury their dead because they want to get an inheritance. Certainly not. People go out of their way to borrow millions of shillings because they want to respect their dead. It is as simple as that. Hon. Mary Emaase, you will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Njeri Maina, this is your time to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You may take your seat. We will first hear from Hon. Ikiara, followed by Hon. Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maina.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well said and congratulations. As requested, the decision on the Second Reading of this Bill will be deferred until the next sitting when we are quorate. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Moses Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lekuton, approach the Chair. (Question proposed) Hon. Lekuton, do you want to contribute or do you want to raise a matter on this issue? 11th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having ascertained that we lack quorum, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) You can stop the Quorum Bell. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR INVITATION TO THE SPEAKER’S KAMKUNJI The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Say that “you second”.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) After such eloquent moving and seconding of the Bill, I will now propose the Question. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) On my requests dashboard, I can see Hon. Gichimu, Hon. Saney and Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, I do not know if you want to take two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gichimu, there is a chance for two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill will continue next time it is slated in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson of the Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. CNN. 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. DK, are you wearing a blanket? Can you tell us what you are wearing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can confirm that what the honourable Member is wearing may look like a blanket, but it is a very fine coat. Hon. Elisha, if you are admiring the coat, then you will approach Hon. DK. He will take you to the shop, then...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyenze. I think you will be the last one on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I also join Members because I have been here since 2013 and this has taken a while. It feels nice sitting here knowing that we have moved so far, especially with this particular Bill. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, thank you very much for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are definitely not Hon. Kibagendi, are you? (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) No. Take your seat. (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Oh! You are Hon. Patrick Kibagendi....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Matayos, Hon. Odanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear from the other Hon. Makali. There are two Makalis, one from the East and one from the West. This is Hon. Makali from the West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Sorry, Hon. Dawood. Hon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, you have a chance. I can see you on the board. I have held Hon. Ikiara for quite a while.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sitienei, you did not indicate that you wanted to speak, you did not tell anybody that you did not have a card. So, we are all wondering. This is a chance for you to make your contribution

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Let us have Hon. Kihungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, looking at the clock, I am inclined to agree with Hon. Kihungi. Order Hon. Mayaka. She was here, put her 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)card and then withdrew it. That is not how we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope you noted Hon. Millie's contribution about recognition of prior learning. She said it is a very key matter. The decision on this Bill at Second Reading will be done next time. We will put the Question the next time this Bill is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, I would like to interrupt you. You will start from Clause 7 next time. The Clerks-at-the-Table will note the time you have spent then you will pick up from there next time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson of the Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. CNN. 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. DK, are you wearing a blanket? Can you tell us what you are wearing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can confirm that what the honourable Member is wearing may look like a blanket, but it is a very fine coat. Hon. Elisha, if you are admiring the coat, then you will approach Hon. DK. He will take you to the shop, then...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyenze. I think you will be the last one on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I also join Members because I have been here since 2013 and this has taken a while. It feels nice sitting here knowing that we have moved so far, especially with this particular Bill. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, thank you very much for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are definitely not Hon. Kibagendi, are you? (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) No. Take your seat. (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Oh! You are Hon. Patrick Kibagendi....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Matayos, Hon. Odanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear from the other Hon. Makali. There are two Makalis, one from the East and one from the West. This is Hon. Makali from the West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Sorry, Hon. Dawood. Hon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, you have a chance. I can see you on the board. I have held Hon. Ikiara for quite a while.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sitienei, you did not indicate that you wanted to speak, you did not tell anybody that you did not have a card. So, we are all wondering. This is a chance for you to make your contribution

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Let us have Hon. Kihungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, looking at the clock, I am inclined to agree with Hon. Kihungi. Order Hon. Mayaka. She was here, put her 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)card and then withdrew it. That is not how we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope you noted Hon. Millie's contribution about recognition of prior learning. She said it is a very key matter. The decision on this Bill at Second Reading will be done next time. We will put the Question the next time this Bill is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, I would like to interrupt you. You will start from Clause 7 next time. The Clerks-at-the-Table will note the time you have spent then you will pick up from there next time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I request you to avoid coming to talk to me. Sitaki pressure. I do not want pressure from Members. I will follow the list that is here. I will follow what Hon. Speaker was doing. I request Members to avoid approaching the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Bondo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Members. I think it is fair to allow the Member of Parliament for Bondo, who is also Raila Odinga's Member of Parliament, to be listened to. This is a very solemn moment. It is not a moment where someone will be contributing, and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Next is the Member of Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. So that you know, the next Members to speak are as per the board. Next is Member for Nambale, followed by the Member for Dagoretti South, then the Member for Butula. Those three in that order. Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Matuga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante. The Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is the Member for Msambweni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next speaker is the Member of Nyandarua. 16th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. If we would all be as brief as the Member for Nyandarua, then more Members will have an opportunity to speak. The next in line is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba, Hon. Manduku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next one is the Member for Mandera South, Hon. Abdul Haro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Member for Marakwet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Wachira Karani.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, very brief and to the point. Member for Mavoko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Uriri is next followed by the Member for Maara. The next one in the requests’ list is the Member for Endebess. 16th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Maara was next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Njoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I told you that will not happen. The next person on the list to speak is the Member for Limuru and thereafter, the Members for Igembe North, Tigania West and Marakwet West, in that order. I can assure you that it will remain that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, if we could do three minutes or less each, we will probably have more time. I would then be extending a few minutes, but you can get more. Eng John Kiragu (Limuru, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next one on the list is Hon. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Order. Those Hon. Members who are leaving, I want to make a ruling. To those Hon. Members who have logged in, do not remove your cards so that when we resume in the afternoon, you do not have to queue again. I think that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will have the Member for Bureti and close after the Member for Seme this morning.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, finally, for the morning.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can see the names of the Members who were on the queue to speak. Please, come on time in the afternoon so that you are not skipped. I can see Hon. Richard Yegon, Hon. Parashina, all the way down to Hon. Ruweida. Just...