David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') If you have the Order Paper, Questions will follow the pattern they appear on the last page. I hope Hon. Joyce Kamene is in the House ready with her Question. You already have the microphone with you, Hon. Joyce Kamene. EFFECTS OF WITHDRAWAL OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Owino, go back and do the right thing. (Hon. Walter Owino went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) This request shall be referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I do not see the Chairperson. Is there any Member of that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, you have two minutes to comment on the request.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, this statement request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I hope they can bring a report in the next three weeks. Before I give a chance to the Member for Nairobi again, join me in recognising and welcoming students...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Who is Uhuru Kenyatta?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') This Request for a Statement is referred to the Committee on Health. Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, I want your attention because the next time these matters come up, I will not ask the Chairpersons. I will ask you about them. The first...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that three weeks from today?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope the Member for Nairobi City County has noted that. The next request is from the Member for West Mugirango. STATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR THE WET SEASON

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, I request that you take your seat for a few minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, do you want to comment on this request for a Statement? Go ahead. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Naomi Waqo, there seem to be no Chairpersons in the House today. What we expect on this one is a comprehensive Statement covering not only Kisii but the entire country, holistically. What is our preparedness for the wet season for the whole country?...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Mwala Constituency. Is this the Member for Mwala? What is wrong with you? From 28th March 2013 until now, you still do not know what to do? You cannot do that, Hon. Vincent Kawaya. Do the right thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, you should not walk without your card. Where is your card? Go ahead. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. We are discussing a very important Motion. I wish that we hear the Member in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, Hon. Tindi Mwale, Hon. Rindikiri and Hon. Makilap could you all take your seats. Consult in low tones so that we can hear the Member contributing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not catch the eye of the Speaker by doing that. You know that very well. You do it by logging in. I will follow the table that is here. The first person is Hon. George Gitonga Murugara. Do you want to contribute...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara your chance was lost because you were busy. Allow the Leader of the Majority Party to contribute first and then you contribute after him.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kangogo, I will not tire of reminding you. I came to this House on 28th March 2013. You are not the person speaking now. You cannot be between him and the Speaker when he is contributing. You cannot.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you sit, what will happen to them if they do not actualise? This is not the first time we are talking about the TSA. What will happen to them?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! This is will be a House resolution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you 30 seconds. You do not have the whole... (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia spoke off the record) You should not be highlighting anything. You should be winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Pukose, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robert, your namesake is Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose. The younger Hon. Robert, could you relate to us what you are saying with the debt strategy?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! No! The rules say that a Member who contributes must be relevant. He is asking how harambee contributions are relevant to the Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy. That is the issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are completely out of order on that. Please, proceed and prosecute your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Why should you have one minute? Okay, you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, the Member of Funyula is making his point. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is debating. He will debate using his own words, not yours. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Uasin Gishu wants to inform you. Do you want to be informed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will allow the Honourable Member for Funyula to finish his speech.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Endebess Constituency. Hon. Baya, you just walked in. Some Members have been queuing since we started.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please add him 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is 2036. 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 106

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Mbeere North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Oundo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed, Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no further interest in the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. Gladys Boss.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, for obvious reason, the decision on this Motion will be made when it next appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Under Standing Order 35, it does not matter what is to be discussed next. It is on its own. I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 110 ADJOURNMENT The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. We are discussing a very important Motion. I wish that we hear the Member in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, Hon. Tindi Mwale, Hon. Rindikiri and Hon. Makilap could you all take your seats. Consult in low tones so that we can hear the Member contributing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not catch the eye of the Speaker by doing that. You know that very well. You do it by logging in. I will follow the table that is here. The first person is Hon. George Gitonga Murugara. Do you want to contribute...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara your chance was lost because you were busy. Allow the Leader of the Majority Party to contribute first and then you contribute after him.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kangogo, I will not tire of reminding you. I came to this House on 28th March 2013. You are not the person speaking now. You cannot be between him and the Speaker when he is contributing. You cannot.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you sit, what will happen to them if they do not actualise? This is not the first time we are talking about the TSA. What will happen to them?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! This is will be a House resolution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you 30 seconds. You do not have the whole... (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia spoke off the record) You should not be highlighting anything. You should be winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Pukose, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robert, your namesake is Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose. The younger Hon. Robert, could you relate to us what you are saying with the debt strategy?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! No! The rules say that a Member who contributes must be relevant. He is asking how harambee contributions are relevant to the Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy. That is the issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are completely out of order on that. Please, proceed and prosecute your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Why should you have one minute? Okay, you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, the Member of Funyula is making his point. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is debating. He will debate using his own words, not yours. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Uasin Gishu wants to inform you. Do you want to be informed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will allow the Honourable Member for Funyula to finish his speech.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Endebess Constituency. Hon. Baya, you just walked in. Some Members have been queuing since we started.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please add him 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is 2036. 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 106

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Mbeere North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Oundo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed, Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no further interest in the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. Gladys Boss.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, for obvious reason, the decision on this Motion will be made when it next appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Under Standing Order 35, it does not matter what is to be discussed next. It is on its own. I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 110 ADJOURNMENT The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Has it been debated? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Has it been debated? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. The issue we are dealing with, for me, is both structural and legal. At times, it has been fuelled by the courts. I have said here and I want to repeat that in the USA, for over 20 years...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. The issue we are dealing with, for me, is both structural and legal. At times, it has been fuelled by the courts. I have said here and I want to repeat that in the USA, for over 20 years...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of information, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, we allow governors and the county governments to get away with too much. If there was a single time a governor should 26th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)be impeached for gross misconduct, it is now. If the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of information, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, we allow governors and the county governments to get away with too much. If there was a single time a governor should 26th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)be impeached for gross misconduct, it is now. If the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I just need to mention something. Hon. Junet claims to be the Secretary-General of the Azimio Coalition. Could he tell this House today where the Azimio Coalition’s office is in this country? (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the three judges… (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I thank the three judges for last week’s judgment. We have a new Constitution that we keep testing. It also 11th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)guides us on how we run our affairs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I was mentioned by Hon. Junet.