David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are forgiven.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatanga, what is that? Go ahead, Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Add him one more minute to finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow Hon. Kaluma one minute.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I hear Members. But Chair, some functions of Senate are not based on the number of Members in the Senate. There are things that would be done by Senate and National Assembly regardless of the number of Members....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have the Mover, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! You will vote the wrong way because you are not listening. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, there is an amendment.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Should I put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair)] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] CONSIDERATION OF SECOND SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/2025 VOTE 1173 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR CO-OPERATIVES 13th March 2025...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If that is the feeling, I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATION BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover. Is it the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee or...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Education, which shall summon the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of TSC to deal with the matter. 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Is Hon. Kasalu in the House? I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. That is a very weighty issue that has been raised by the Member for Kitui County. There are ladies who are married in counties where they cannot be employed because they cannot produce marriage certificates. I hope the Departmental Committee on Education...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as you are aware, this Motion was moved in an amended form. (Question of the Motion as amended proposed) Deputy Leader of Majority Party, it is now your turn.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Members, before Hon. Martha Wangari seconds, join me in welcoming pupils and students from Sheria House School from Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County; Kiriani Boys High School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County; Kasue Girls Secondary School from Kibwezi West...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gladys, we had gone through these recommendations. So, you can just say, ‘As per the Order Paper’ because everything you are mentioning is in the Order Paper.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, just take your seat. What Hon. Makali is raising is very important. That every time the Majority side borrows for Private Member's Bill, they should refund that time. That is the issue he is raising. I hope that the Leadership has listened...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, I am sure you sit in the House Business Committee. Do you sit in the House Business Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Last to speak on this is Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is not Ngogoyo. He is Hon. Ngogoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Sabina Chege.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. This is a Motion, and you are debating it. You cannot say that a Member has bad manners simply because he has a view that is opposed to yours. Hon. Dawood, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it a point of order or do you want to argue?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, this is your Motion. So, what is your point of order? Hon. Dawood, let us hear what Hon. Baya has to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Owen Baya. Take your seat. Hon. Ngogoyo, what do you want to say?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a request for statement by Hon. Onchoke. I have seen him in the House. Go ahead. Please, read the request for statement as it is. DRUG...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you shall not do what you are trying to do. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ruku. Hon. Onchoke shall be heard in silence. Hon. Ruku, you shall be silent as the Member puts his request for statement across....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I will allow a few comments on this. Hon. Ruku, go up there, get your card, and then I will allow you to speak.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can we allow Hon. Munyoro to say something? This is not a debate! You have had your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead and insert your card, Hon. Ruku. You can now proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, do you consider cigarettes a drug?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not say ‘sig-ret’! You say ‘si-guh-ret’.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have asked you a question. Would you consider a cigarette a drug or not?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have ‘General’ Bashir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutuse.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! Hon. Ruku, take your seat. Hon. Mutuse, take your seat. Hon. Members, I am not going to throw anybody out of Parliament this morning. (Loud consultations)Committee on Education in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Gisairo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The next request for statement is by Hon. Peter Mbogho, the Member for Mwatate. UNFAIR DISMISSAL OF MR. PAUL MZENGE BY THE KENYA PORTS AUTHORITY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, I cannot see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour in the House. Would you take charge of this? I hope you got the request for statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How long will this take?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it possible to get an answer during the first week after we resume from recess?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Peter, you will take it up with him so that it is addressed at the right time. CONSTRUCTION OF KIREGE-FOREST-MUBUKURO ROAD IN CHUKA/IGAMBANG’OMBE 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before we move to the next Statement, join me in welcoming students from the following schools: (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. ORDINARY QUESTIONS DISMISSAL OF MRS JANET KADZO OF TSC NO. 468522 BY THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have two Questions to the Independent Offices and Commissions. The first one is by Hon. Baya, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Education, which shall summon the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of TSC to deal with the matter. 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Is Hon. Kasalu in the House? I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. That is a very weighty issue that has been raised by the Member for Kitui County. There are ladies who are married in counties where they cannot be employed because they cannot produce marriage certificates. I hope the Departmental Committee on Education...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as you are aware, this Motion was moved in an amended form. (Question of the Motion as amended proposed) Deputy Leader of Majority Party, it is now your turn.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Members, before Hon. Martha Wangari seconds, join me in welcoming pupils and students from Sheria House School from Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County; Kiriani Boys High School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County; Kasue Girls Secondary School from Kibwezi West...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gladys, we had gone through these recommendations. So, you can just say, ‘As per the Order Paper’ because everything you are mentioning is in the Order Paper.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, just take your seat. What Hon. Makali is raising is very important. That every time the Majority side borrows for Private Member's Bill, they should refund that time. That is the issue he is raising. I hope that the Leadership has listened...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, I am sure you sit in the House Business Committee. Do you sit in the House Business Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Last to speak on this is Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is not Ngogoyo. He is Hon. Ngogoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Sabina Chege.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. This is a Motion, and you are debating it. You cannot say that a Member has bad manners simply because he has a view that is opposed to yours. Hon. Dawood, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it a point of order or do you want to argue?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, this is your Motion. So, what is your point of order? Hon. Dawood, let us hear what Hon. Baya has to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Owen Baya. Take your seat. Hon. Ngogoyo, what do you want to say?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a request for statement by Hon. Onchoke. I have seen him in the House. Go ahead. Please, read the request for statement as it is. DRUG...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you shall not do what you are trying to do. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ruku. Hon. Onchoke shall be heard in silence. Hon. Ruku, you shall be silent as the Member puts his request for statement across....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I will allow a few comments on this. Hon. Ruku, go up there, get your card, and then I will allow you to speak.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can we allow Hon. Munyoro to say something? This is not a debate! You have had your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead and insert your card, Hon. Ruku. You can now proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, do you consider cigarettes a drug?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not say ‘sig-ret’! You say ‘si-guh-ret’.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have asked you a question. Would you consider a cigarette a drug or not?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have ‘General’ Bashir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutuse.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! Hon. Ruku, take your seat. Hon. Mutuse, take your seat. Hon. Members, I am not going to throw anybody out of Parliament this morning. (Loud consultations)Committee on Education in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Gisairo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The next request for statement is by Hon. Peter Mbogho, the Member for Mwatate. UNFAIR DISMISSAL OF MR. PAUL MZENGE BY THE KENYA PORTS AUTHORITY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, I cannot see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour in the House. Would you take charge of this? I hope you got the request for statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How long will this take?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it possible to get an answer during the first week after we resume from recess?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Peter, you will take it up with him so that it is addressed at the right time. CONSTRUCTION OF KIREGE-FOREST-MUBUKURO ROAD IN CHUKA/IGAMBANG’OMBE 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before we move to the next Statement, join me in welcoming students from the following schools: (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. ORDINARY QUESTIONS DISMISSAL OF MRS JANET KADZO OF TSC NO. 468522 BY THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have two Questions to the Independent Offices and Commissions. The first one is by Hon. Baya, the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I hereby second. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba and Hon. Suleka Harun walked into the Chamber)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I hereby second. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba and Hon. Suleka Harun walked into the Chamber)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') If you have the Order Paper, Questions will follow the pattern they appear on the last page. I hope Hon. Joyce Kamene is in the House ready with her Question. You already have the microphone with you, Hon. Joyce Kamene. EFFECTS OF WITHDRAWAL OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Owino, go back and do the right thing. (Hon. Walter Owino went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) This request shall be referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I do not see the Chairperson. Is there any Member of that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, you have two minutes to comment on the request.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, this statement request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I hope they can bring a report in the next three weeks. Before I give a chance to the Member for Nairobi again, join me in recognising and welcoming students...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Who is Uhuru Kenyatta?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') This Request for a Statement is referred to the Committee on Health. Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, I want your attention because the next time these matters come up, I will not ask the Chairpersons. I will ask you about them. The first...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that three weeks from today?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope the Member for Nairobi City County has noted that. The next request is from the Member for West Mugirango. STATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR THE WET SEASON

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, I request that you take your seat for a few minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, do you want to comment on this request for a Statement? Go ahead. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Naomi Waqo, there seem to be no Chairpersons in the House today. What we expect on this one is a comprehensive Statement covering not only Kisii but the entire country, holistically. What is our preparedness for the wet season for the whole country?...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Mwala Constituency. Is this the Member for Mwala? What is wrong with you? From 28th March 2013 until now, you still do not know what to do? You cannot do that, Hon. Vincent Kawaya. Do the right thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, you should not walk without your card. Where is your card? Go ahead. (Laughter)