David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not think I need to say anything on this matter. As recent as when we passed the appointment of the current Cabinet Secretary of Energy and Petroleum and the Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury and Economic Planning, the Speaker gave a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah Maalim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member of Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Uasin Gishu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, I already said I will not give anybody a chance to raise a point of order because I know you want to debate. We are not going to allow you to debate using a point of order. What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Gladys Boss stood in her place) Hon. Member for Uasin Gishu County, take your seat. On this occasion, as Members, you would know that the Speaker is allowed to determine whether a point of order like the one raised now...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am going to give four more Hon. Members, a chance to contribute. If you took as little time as Hon. Deputy Speaker has done, then we would have more of you speaking. Take two minutes at most then we can proceed. Hon. Zamzam,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas. Use the microphone next to you. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Minority Whip.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, I have noted a great deal of interest in this matter, but we must close it. I will give the Floor to the Member for Kilgoris, and we shall conclude with the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie, he is merely speaking. What is out of order? Hon. Sunkuli, please, you need to finalise. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Mover may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members at the back, take your seats. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : They should serve with the same dedication they demonstrated while serving in their other capacities. I beg to reply. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mathenge. (Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet, proceed with the matter at hand.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Some Members are already raising their hands up, even those who have just walked into the Chamber now. (Question proposed) 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Member for Marakwet East, is it a point of debate or a point of order? On which Standing Order are you raising your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! If you are going to debate, I will give you a chance to debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Then you are going to tell me you are raising your point of order according to which Standing Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Rarieda, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Technical hitch) . I can deal with it. I do not need assistance on this matter. Just one minute, Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! We will not go there. The Leader of the Majority Party, you will take two minutes at most.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Junet?

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) I have not seen any monkey in the House this morning.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) What is the point of order Hon. Farah Maalim. Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM) : I want to set the record straight. In North Eastern, we do not eat monkeys. He comes from Nyanza. We do not skin monkeys. For the record, that only applies...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will do this in a different way. I do not want to pronounce myself on the microphone on that matter, but the person concerned has been communicated to, accordingly. Of course, there are repercussions if he does not follow the reasons he has...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Sirma the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, act accordingly and desist from using terms that would cause many---

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? Please give the Deputy Speaker the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! This Motion is coming up for debate shortly and anybody who wants to say something about it will have the chance then. Leader of the Majority Party, proceed and conclude.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Minority Party, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not think I need to say anything on this matter. As recent as when we passed the appointment of the current Cabinet Secretary of Energy and Petroleum and the Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury and Economic Planning, the Speaker gave a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah Maalim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member of Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Uasin Gishu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, I already said I will not give anybody a chance to raise a point of order because I know you want to debate. We are not going to allow you to debate using a point of order. What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Gladys Boss stood in her place) Hon. Member for Uasin Gishu County, take your seat. On this occasion, as Members, you would know that the Speaker is allowed to determine whether a point of order like the one raised now...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am going to give four more Hon. Members, a chance to contribute. If you took as little time as Hon. Deputy Speaker has done, then we would have more of you speaking. Take two minutes at most then we can proceed. Hon. Zamzam,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas. Use the microphone next to you. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Minority Whip.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, I have noted a great deal of interest in this matter, but we must close it. I will give the Floor to the Member for Kilgoris, and we shall conclude with the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie, he is merely speaking. What is out of order? Hon. Sunkuli, please, you need to finalise. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Mover may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members at the back, take your seats. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : They should serve with the same dedication they demonstrated while serving in their other capacities. I beg to reply. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I want us to skip Order No.7 and go directly to Order No.8. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF BUSINESS FROM PROVISIONS OF STANDING ORDER 40(3)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet Mohamed, you are seconding this Motion. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the mood of the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING AND COMBATING OF TERRORISM FINANCING LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, we concluded the Committee of the whole House on this Bill. What remained was for the Question to be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara, you are seconding a very special Motion, and I request that you proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga, I am curious; you being a senior lawyer, is having money in your house evidence of crime?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The last Member to contribute on this matter will be Hon. Elachi. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 4

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Members. I want to put the Question. I confirm there is Quorum. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. SPECIAL MOTIONS APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENTS...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mathenge. (Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet, proceed with the matter at hand.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Some Members are already raising their hands up, even those who have just walked into the Chamber now. (Question proposed) 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Member for Marakwet East, is it a point of debate or a point of order? On which Standing Order are you raising your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! If you are going to debate, I will give you a chance to debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Then you are going to tell me you are raising your point of order according to which Standing Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Rarieda, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Technical hitch) . I can deal with it. I do not need assistance on this matter. Just one minute, Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! We will not go there. The Leader of the Majority Party, you will take two minutes at most.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Junet?

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) I have not seen any monkey in the House this morning.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) What is the point of order Hon. Farah Maalim. Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM) : I want to set the record straight. In North Eastern, we do not eat monkeys. He comes from Nyanza. We do not skin monkeys. For the record, that only applies...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will do this in a different way. I do not want to pronounce myself on the microphone on that matter, but the person concerned has been communicated to, accordingly. Of course, there are repercussions if he does not follow the reasons he has...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Sirma the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, act accordingly and desist from using terms that would cause many---

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? Please give the Deputy Speaker the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! This Motion is coming up for debate shortly and anybody who wants to say something about it will have the chance then. Leader of the Majority Party, proceed and conclude.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Minority Party, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not think I need to say anything on this matter. As recent as when we passed the appointment of the current Cabinet Secretary of Energy and Petroleum and the Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury and Economic Planning, the Speaker gave a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah Maalim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member of Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Uasin Gishu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, I already said I will not give anybody a chance to raise a point of order because I know you want to debate. We are not going to allow you to debate using a point of order. What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Gladys Boss stood in her place) Hon. Member for Uasin Gishu County, take your seat. On this occasion, as Members, you would know that the Speaker is allowed to determine whether a point of order like the one raised now...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am going to give four more Hon. Members, a chance to contribute. If you took as little time as Hon. Deputy Speaker has done, then we would have more of you speaking. Take two minutes at most then we can proceed. Hon. Zamzam,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas. Use the microphone next to you. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Minority Whip.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, I have noted a great deal of interest in this matter, but we must close it. I will give the Floor to the Member for Kilgoris, and we shall conclude with the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie, he is merely speaking. What is out of order? Hon. Sunkuli, please, you need to finalise. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Mover may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members at the back, take your seats. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : They should serve with the same dedication they demonstrated while serving in their other capacities. I beg to reply. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mathenge. (Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet, proceed with the matter at hand.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Some Members are already raising their hands up, even those who have just walked into the Chamber now. (Question proposed) 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Member for Marakwet East, is it a point of debate or a point of order? On which Standing Order are you raising your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! If you are going to debate, I will give you a chance to debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Then you are going to tell me you are raising your point of order according to which Standing Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Rarieda, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Technical hitch) . I can deal with it. I do not need assistance on this matter. Just one minute, Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! We will not go there. The Leader of the Majority Party, you will take two minutes at most.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Junet?

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) I have not seen any monkey in the House this morning.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) What is the point of order Hon. Farah Maalim. Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM) : I want to set the record straight. In North Eastern, we do not eat monkeys. He comes from Nyanza. We do not skin monkeys. For the record, that only applies...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will do this in a different way. I do not want to pronounce myself on the microphone on that matter, but the person concerned has been communicated to, accordingly. Of course, there are repercussions if he does not follow the reasons he has...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Sirma the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, act accordingly and desist from using terms that would cause many---

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? Please give the Deputy Speaker the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! This Motion is coming up for debate shortly and anybody who wants to say something about it will have the chance then. Leader of the Majority Party, proceed and conclude.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Minority Party, proceed.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I yield the Floor to him, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I yield the Floor to him, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have listened to the Member for Funyula. Therefore, I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order the Bell to be stopped. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we will defer the putting of the Question to the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL 8th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover, Hon. Atandi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I now call upon the Chairperson to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are forgiven.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatanga, what is that? Go ahead, Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Add him one more minute to finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow Hon. Kaluma one minute.