MAALIM, FARAH

Fair enough, is that the mood of the House? (Question put and agreed) APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES

Order, Hon. Osoro! (Question proposed) The Leader of the Majority Party, proceed please.

Hon. Wangwe, Member for Navakholo, proceed and second.

We can proceed with the debate. I have proposed the Question. There is nobody?

You are here? Whoever is there proceed. Order!

Order, Hon. Members. We cannot put the Question. You understand and you perfectly well know that we cannot put the Question. The tradition of the House has changed in the last ten years. You cannot put the Question if there is no quorum. This is deferred to tomorrow. So, you...

Order, Hon. Members. I call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Members, I have accepted the point of order that was raised by the Member for Funyula. I defer putting the Question to tomorrow afternoon. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The...

Fair enough. In that case, let us have the Mover to move the amendment.

I call upon the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to report to the House.

The Mover of the Bill to move agreement with the report.

Hon. Abdullahi, you have the floor.

Fair enough. I think we are through except for putting the Question for adoption which will be deferred. I will propose the Question. (Question proposed) I have proposed but I will not put the Question for obvious reasons. I will put it tomorrow. Is tomorrow okay? Tomorrow it will be...

Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, will you be able to move the Motion on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party? What is your point of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo? I previously knew you as the Member of Parliament for Mbita Constituency. I do not know where you...

You have made your point. I am sure the people of Suba North are watching how serious you are when it comes to representing them here. Please proceed, Hon. Naomi Waqo. (Laughter)

It is not your tradition to be away when you are supposed to move something. I understood that you must have been behind here doing something else. PAPERS LAID

Proceed, Deputy Whip of the Majority Party. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER ON THE NATIONAL AGRICULTURAL POLICY

Leader of the Majority Party, proceed and second your own Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

Nobody wants to contribute to this? Hon. Julius Sunkuli, I can see your name here. Proceed.

The Member for Aldai.

The Member for Wajir West.

Hon. Member for Suba North.

The Member of Parliament for Mogotio, followed by the Member for Khwisero. Mogotio? Can you give him the microphone?

The Member of Parliament for Khwisero? Followed by the Member for West Mugirango.

Member for West Mugirango, proceed.

Member for Kiharu.

Member for Samburu East followed by the Member for Sotik.

The Member for Sotik followed by the Member for Igembe Central.

Let us have the Member for Igembe Central followed by the Member for Funyula.

You have run out of time. Let us have the Member for Funyula followed by the Member for Runyenjes.

Let us have the Member for Runyenjes followed by the Member for Mosop.

Next is the Hon. Member for Mosop followed by the Member for Kiambaa.

Member for Kiambaa followed by the Member for Kesses.

Member for Kesses.

The Member for Roysambu, Hon. Mwafrika

The Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. David Mboni.

I call upon the Mover to reply.

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Mover of the Motion, I direct that this matter be put on the Order Paper for putting of the Question tomorrow, 1st December 2022. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 6.12

Ring the bell for quorum. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members we have quorum. MESSAGE PASSAGE OF COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO. 2) BILL BY THE SENATE I have a Message from the Senate. Hon Members, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 41 (4) of the National Assembly...

What is your point of order, Hon. Chepkonga? If the microphone is not working, you can come forward.

Order! You do not direct the Speaker. (Laughter) Are there any Papers to be laid on the Table of the House by the Leader of the Majority Party, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party or Whip of the Majority Party? (Laughter)

We are now in Questions. We will start with Question 015/2022 by Hon. Charity Chepkwony, Member for Njoro. We will come back to it. Member for Mwingi West, Hon. Charles Nguna, I understand that he delegated or authorised somebody else to ask the Question on his behalf. I am meant...

That will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. Next Question is by Hon. Beatrice Adagala, I understand that she has delegated Hon. Joshua Mwalyo the Member for Masinga to ask the Question her behalf. Question No.038/2022 STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO DEATH OF HILLARY KHAYUMBI

Fair enough. To be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Next Question is by the Member for Starehe, Hon. Amos Mwago. You may proceed. Question No. 039/2022 ALLOCATION OF KENYA RAILWAYS CORPORATION LAND TO MRIKITI MARKET

Fair enough. To be replied before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The next Question is by the Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu Githinji. Proceed Hon. Gichimu to ask your Question. Question No. 040/2022 DETAILS OF CONTRACTS ON TRANSPORTATION OF CARGO THROUGH STANDARD GAUGE RAILWAY

Fair enough. The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Next is Statements. Pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) the following Statements will be requested. Member for Kamukunji, Hon. Yusuf Hassan, where are you? Proceed. REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS EXPIRY OF UNUSED...

The Leader of Majority Party.

The Member for Ainabkoi, Hon. Chepkonga, you have business in this industry in the sense that you are a telecommunications man. Proceed. (Hon. Johana Kipyegon spoke off-record)

What is the point of order Member for Nyando? Did I hear you say IEBC?

Of course, and the current one. Member for Nyando you are on point of order.

Order! Order! Proceed Member for Moyale, Prof. Guyo Jaldesa. Do you have a problem with technology? Use the next microphone.

Fair enough. Member for Saku, Rtd. Col. Dido Raso, you can contribute wherever you are.

Let us have Nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Let us have Hon. Nyamai, Member for Kitui South.

Let us have the Member for Mogotio.

Member for Rangwe, Dr. Lilian Gogo? Is she here in the House? Okay. Let us have the Member for Igembe Central. Proceed.

Member for Wajir South.

What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party?

Member of Parliament for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, whatever happened to your technology? Can the Clerks-at-the- 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 Table help him? Proceed, Hon. Wanyonyi, the microphone had been switched on but you switched it off again.Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD – K): Hon. Temporary Speaker,...

I will give a chance to three more Members. I want to be gender sensitive. The lady up there, you keep raising your hand but I do not see your name here. What is your name? Proceed, Hon. Chelule. Give her the microphone. (Loud consultations)

The Member for Lagdera. Please, do not take more than a minute.

Member for Sotik, a minute. He should be followed by Hon. Waqo of Marsabit, Proceed. Please give him the microphone.

Hon. Members, for your information there is a serious voting to be done on a Motion that you passed yesterday on NG-CDF and if you keep walking out, we might not have quorum and we might not be able to vote when the time comes. So, you better stay in...

Hon. (Dr.) Gogo, you have been called before. I do not know where you are but you better give your input in not more than a minute.

Hon. (Dr.) Pukose is the last one on this matter. Take note that your contribution should not take more than a minute. Hon. Waqo will go first. I had already given the Floor to Hon. Waqo. Please, proceed.

Hon. Waqo, you have half a minute and then Hon. KJ will have two minutes because he is the Chairperson of the Committee. Order, Hon. Mary.

Member for Dagoretti South. Hon. KJ is not an official name. Proceed. Take not more than two minutes

Order. The idea is because this matter is very close to the hearts of Kenyans. The Chairperson has the responsibility of gauging the mood of the House.

Hon. Madam Chepkwony, please, ask your Question very fast.

Fair enough. The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. Chairperson of Committee on 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 Education, you have a response to a Statement that was sought on CBC. Could you be very brief?

Fair enough. Circulate it for Members to have ample time to go through and internalize it. Next Order. PUBLICATION OF REGULATIONS ON PRIVATE LAND USE AND MANAGEMENT 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 the rules and regulations for private land use and management in regard to the minimum and...

Hon. Waqo, you have a Procedural Motion. (An Hon. Member walked across the aisle) 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 Order! Take your seat. It is supposed to be a bench but it is now a seat. Ordinarily, the tradition was that it was a bench. It is only...

Fair enough. I will propose the Question. (Question proposed)

Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop. If he is not here, Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses, you may proceed.

Hon. Members, I have a Petition before me. Article 119 of the Constitution accords any person the right to petition Parliament to consider any matter within its authority. Further, Standing Order 225 (2) (b) requires the Speaker to report to the House any petition other than those presented by a...

Yes. Comments are in order. Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses, proceed. Do you want to weigh in on this matter?

Hon. Members, Standing Order 226 on comments on a Petition states that: “The Speaker may allow comments, observations or clarifications in relation to a Petition presented or reported and such total time shall not exceed thirty minutes.” Under the circumstances, I think two minutes are in order for every Member....

Where are you, Hon. John Kiarie? Order, Hon. John Kiarie! That is way out of the dress code. Can you remove what you have on your neck? I do not know what that is.

Order, Hon. Kiarie! Whereas scouts are recognised in this Parliament and in the country, and this is the mother and father of the scouts’ movement globally and Baden Powell was from here, you do not have a right again to dress like a scout in here. Can you remove it?...

No, you are okay with your tie. It does not matter whether you have the pictures. Parliament recognises it as a tie and there is no distinction from one tie to the other. You re well-dressed now. Proceed, Member for Nyando.

Hon. Member for Mandera North.

That is valid information and I am sure the staff who deal with that have taken note and will work towards restoring that power. Proceed, Hon. Member for Mandera North. 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

Let us have Hon. Member for Kitui Central Dr Makali Mulu.

The Member for Marakwet. Bowen.

Hon. Member for Central Imenti.

Let us have the Member for Jomvu, followed by Hon. Gogo. Jomvu, Bady Bady?

The Member for Emuhaya, Hon. Omboko. Did you wish to contribute to this one?

Order! Sorry. After Gogo. Proceed Gogo. It is my mistake.

Hon. Omboko, Member for Emuhaya.

Initially, I had given the opportunity to Hon. Makilap, followed by the Leader of the Minority Party.

The Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Opiyo Wandayi.

The Member for Sotik, Hon. Francis Sigei, followed by the Member for Kibwezi West. 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7

Next is the Member for Kibwezi West. Kindly take a minute because other Members want to contribute too.

Order, Hon. Members. We have run out of time. The Standing Orders are express. Please, take one minute each. Hon. Kirima and Hon. Tindi Mwale, take a minute each. (Hon. Moses Kirima spoke off the record) Member of Parliament for Imenti Central, Hon. Kirima, no.

Tindi Mwale, take exactly one minute. The Member of Parliament for Dagoretti, is it Dagoretti North or Dagoretti South? Take one minute, and then we come to others. Hon. Pukose, can you take half a minute?

Excellent. We can proceed after that.

Proceed, Hon. Kiarie.

Hon. Pukose, and then, just for us to have gender balance, we will have Madam Nyenze as the last person. Proceed. Take just a minute.

Madam Nyenze.

The presiding officer fully appreciates the fact that there is need for the House to be allowed to ventilate on such weighty matters. The time that we are allocated through the Standing Orders is very limited. Maybe you could demand for a little more than that when we are revising...

Under the circumstances, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, do you want to say a word

Let us go on. Next Order! Hon. Osoro. Proceed PAPERS LAID

What is wrong with your microphone? Proceed. ORDINARY QUESTIONS STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS IN YATTA 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14

My microphone is not working. The Question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Let us move to the next Question. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari. He has requested for the Question to be deferred. It is so directed. The Question is...

Is that microphone working? Use the next one. I know you as Moria. Proceed. Question No.35/2022 STALLED CONSTRUCTION OF CAPTAIN-WANJOHI- GETA-NDUNYU NJERU ROAD IN KIPIPIRI

Those are some of the challenges of our own way of doing things because cabinet secretaries do not come to the House. When we 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 were under the old Constitution, they were obligated to answer Questions because they were Members of Parliament. The Chairperson...

Order, Hon. Mary Njoroge. What is your issue, Hon. Muhia?

Precisely so. Who is the Chairperson of this Committee?

I hear it is Hon. GK. Where is he today? Hon. GK, are you in the House? (Laughter) ORGANISATIONAL AND MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE OF NEW KENYA PLANTERS CO-OPERATIVE UNION

That Question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives. Hon. Gonzi Rai has demanded a Statement. Where is he?

Proceed. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT CHEMICAL SPILLAGE AT MELI KUBWA VILLAGE IN KINANGO

Where is the Chairperson,(Loud consultations)

In Juba? Is any Member of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining here? Could you commit 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 yourself at the earliest time possible to get us an answer to this? This is a Statement. Ordinarily, you should have an answer within 48...

He is in sports for the time being but the system is there. In any case, you are going to get those answers not from the Chairperson. It just comes in through the Chairperson as the conduit, but there is a Ministry involved. Can you go to the Cabinet Secretary...

Next Order. Proceed Chairperson. Move the Motion. APPROVAL OF NOMINEES TO CONSTITUENCY COMMITTEES OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT CONSTITUENCIES DEVELOPMENT FUND

Order, Hon. Members. The Chair has to propose the Question first. (Hon. Junet Mohamed consulted loudly) Order! Hon. Junet! (Question proposed)

Let us have the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. Order, Hon. Osoro. ESTABLISHMENT OF JOINT PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION

I notice that there are many Members who would want to contribute to this Motion, but the rules are very clear. The Motion is proposed, seconded, then the question is proposed by the Speaker. Order, Hon. Members. You realise that the Temporary Speaker represents a constituency, primarily because he represents...

You can amend the Motion. Somebody can move an amendment to the Motion.

Hon. Junet Mohamed you are a very senior Member of this House. You do understand. (Hon. John Mbadi spoke off-record) Order, Hon. John Mbadi. I have a problem with the way you keep on talking very loudly across the aisle and yet, you are a senior ranking Member. You are...

Order, Hon. Pukose. I have heard you. The National Assembly cannot transact business and contravene its own Standing Orders in the hope that another House will rectify. If that has got to be done jointly, it must have come the way the Parliamentary Service Commission came. When we have the...

Hon. Members, you can rest assured that the Temporary Speaker will never put the Question unless the Motion itself, one way or the other, conforms to the Standing Orders. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah proceed.

Can I give you the best way to do it? I will propose the question, because the Motion has already been moved and seconded. Do you get my point? Then you will move because the Motion has already been moved and seconded. I will propose the Motion and then we...

Okay, let me now do that. Order, Hon. Members. The Chair proposes the question. (Question proposed) The position of the Chairperson is that you have undertaken to move an amendment to this list to conform to Standing Order 259 (c) . It is also to request the Senate to appoint...

Proceed, Hon. Ichung’wah. Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party. It is abundance of caution. (Laughter) 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 63

Proceed, Hon. Robert Mbui and second the amendment.

I still have a problem. Yes, there is an issue. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, you are supposed to have, at least, four women in that Committee. You have eleven members and a third of that should be of either gender. You cannot have more than two-thirds male. This does not include...

Hon. Junet is on point order, Hon. Makilap. We cannot have a point of order on another point of order.

Member for Nyando, what is your point of order? 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 65

Order! Order, Member for Nyando! The rules are very clear. If it is decimal five and above of course, you round it off to a whole number. If it is below decimal five, you ignore the decimal bit. Can we allow the Leader of the Majority Party?

What is your point of order, Hon. Junet.

Hon. Members, I now wish to propose the Question of the amendment to the Motion. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Members, you can now contribute to the Motion. Hon. Wandayi, as the Leader of the Minority Party, you may proceed.

Hon. Wandayi, this Motion will become “Motion as amended” once the amendment is carried. It has not been carried yet. I 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 67 have not put the Question for agreement with the amendment. Once the amendment is carried, you can contribute to the amended Motion,...

I support that. Order Hon. Members, I will now put the Question. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted...

Hon. Members, there seems to be a serious challenge with quorum this morning. I direct that the Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Sergeant-at-Arms, proceed and ring the Quorum Bell for an additional five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Members. As...

A moment, Hon. Members. Give me a moment to get this business. Okay, Hon. Weytan.

Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Hon. Bisau, proceed.

Are you still on a point of order? Let us have Hon. Gogo then the MP for Dagoretti South. Then we will take two more and proceed to the next Order. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah consulted Hon. Benjamin Lang’at)

What is your point of order? Hon. Dr Gogo, order. The Leader of the Majority Party is on a point of order.

Hon. (Dr.) Gogo, proceed and finish your contribution.

Member for Dagoretti South.

What is your point of order Member for Suna East?

Hon. Junet is on a point of order. You cannot have a point of order on a point of order. (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off record) Order, Member for Dagoretti South. You do not engage the Chair in a debate.

Fair enough, Member for Suna East. Hon. Kiarie, did you need to conclude beyond what you had already said? I thought you had concluded. Okay, you have one minute to conclude.

Member for Mandera West.

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. (Dr.) Nyikal.

The last one is Dr Pukose.

Member for Kwanza, what is burning? Proceed you are the very last one.

Member for Kabuchai, Majimbo Kalasinga. ORDINARY QUESTIONS STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO LOSS OF MONEY BY NAKOYONJO COFFEE FACTORY IN KABUCHAI

The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. The next question is by Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member for Machakos. Is Hon. Joyce Kamene in the House? Let us go to the next question. Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South. Question 7/2022...

The question is referred to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. The next question is by the Member for Teso North, Hon. Oku Kaunya. Question 9/2022 DISMISSAL OF MR GABRIEL AKIMWANARY OBASIE FROM NATIONAL INDUSTRIAL TRAINING AUTHORITY

I noticed that there is a difference between the date you read and the one that is printed. You said “2018” but the Order Paper says “19th February 2022.” Could you correct yourself?

Okay. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Labour. Member for Malava, Hon. Malulu Injendi is next. Question 11/2022 DELAYED DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS OF NG-CDF FOR 2021/2022 FY

Fair enough. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. The next question is by the Member for Imenti North, Hon. Abdul Dawood. Abdul Dawood? The next Question is by the Member for Keiyo South, Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. Question 13/2022 STATUS OF...

The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. The next question is by the Member for Funyula, Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo. Question 14/2022 INABILITY OF LAND AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO OBTAIN OFFICIAL SEARCHES

Fair enough. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Members, we will have a second and final round for those who did not ask their questions. Member for Machakos County, Hon. Joyce Kamene? Hon. Joyce Kamene? (Question 5/2022 dropped) Member for Imenti North,...

Fair enough. Do I take it that the Member for Kilifi County wants to contribute to this Motion?

The Member for Kisauni, Rashid Bedzimba, is next.

Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli. Is he in the House?

Member for Dagoretti South, do you still intend to contribute to this Motion? I notice you… 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

Great, Hon. John Kiarie. Is Hon. Samuel Atandi in the House?

Member for Kuria East, proceed.

Member for Moiben, Hon. Phyllis Bartoo, proceed.

Next is the Member for Nandi, Hon. Cynthia Muge.

We will now hear the Member for Turkana East.

Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Gitari. Is he in the House?

Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei. You have five minutes after which the Mover will be asked to reply.

Member for Ganze, please take exactly three minutes. He should be followed by the Member for Kwanza for three minutes then the Mover will reply. Proceed, Hon. Members.

Order. Hon. Member of Parliament for Kwanza, you have exactly three minutes. I understand that Hon. KJ has decided to donate a few of his minutes to the gracious lady. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

The Member of Kajiado County, Hon. Leah, you have two minutes that were donated to you by Member for Dagoretti South. Proceed.

Hon. (Prof.) Nyikal, you have two minutes donated by the Member for Dagoretti South.

Hon. KJ.

Member for Kesses? Hon. (Dr.) Pukosi, proceed.

The Member for Kesses, followed by the Member for Kisumu. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

Hon. Shakeel Shabbir, you also have exactly two minutes. Anybody who wants something donated should consult the Chair. The donor is the Member for Dagoretti South. Proceed.

The Member for Mwingi North, Hon. Nzengu, you also have two minutes donated to you.

Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit, has two minutes donated by KJ. Proceed.

The Member for Kajiado North, Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo. Proceed, you have two minutes. Hon. John Kiarie, you realise you are only left with four minutes. You have donated the rest.

Proceed.

Member for Dagoretti South, you realise you only had 10 minutes to reply. You have almost exhausted all of it but Hon. Temporary Speaker has added you six minutes because of the seriousness of the matter before us and because of national interest.

Standing Order 1 stipulates that anything not provided for, the Speaker can use his discretion. This is already provided for. But given that you a Chairperson of a serious Committee that concerns this very serious issue before us, I will give you exactly three minutes to say what you have...

Hon. KJ, you can now reply.

Hon. Members, Ordinarily, the Chair would have put the Question, but because we do not have a quorum, the Question cannot be put. It can only be deferred to an appropriate date when we have sufficient quorum. Then the only business left on this Motion is putting of the Question....

Let us have the Member for Kilgoris.

Order Hon. Member. The Hon. Leader of Majority Party is on a point of order. What is your point of order Hon. Ichung’wah? Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I did not want to interrupt the Member for Nyando but he is serving his second...

Order Hon. Members. I do not think the tradition has changed. We are discussing matters that concern the Armed Forces of this country which is a very powerful strategic issue. Ordinarily, if my memory serves me very right, we should have done it in camera. But now that it is...

Order, Hon. Member! Hon. Members, for the benefit of all of you, it is of cardinal, sanctified and sacrosanct importance to respect what I told you. You cannot discuss casualties, weapons and death of our forces. Those are 9th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 19 strategic national secrets. The issue...

Hon. Memusi, I was going to give you an opportunity to contribute. Do you still insist on a point of order? Okay, proceed. What is the point of order, Hon. Memusi?

MP for Kwanza, Hon Ferdinand Wanyonyi, what is your point of order? Okay. Proceed with your point of order.

Order, Hon. Wanyonyi. That is not a point of order. Hon Members, I am very categorical on the discussion of matters of national interest and national security. You could discuss them all, but you demand to have the Sitting be held in camera when the media and everybody else is...

Order. That Standing Order applies when the debate is very much exhausted then you ask the Mover to be called upon to reply. I have given the Floor the Hon. Member for Kitutu Masaba. Proceed, Hon. Member.

Ordinarily, when a Member rises at his place and invokes Standing Order 95, the Chair under those circumstances has to put 9th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22 Question. It is the House to decide whether they want to ventilate more or whether they want to bring this Motion to...

Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

Order! Order, Member for Nyando! Order! Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Members, there were very short people speaking in the Speaker’s ear. I do not know what has happened because I kept bending. (Laughter) DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY ON SMALL AND MICRO-ENTERPRISES Order! Hon. Johana Ng’eno. Is Hon. Johana Ng’eno not here? Proceed, Honourable Member.

The Member for Mandera East, Hon. Weytan, do you wish to contribute to this debate?

Is the Member for Bureti in the House? The list is here. Hon. Member for Tharaka Nithi. Hon. Member for Bureti is here. Proceed.

So, who are the Members who want to contribute on this Motion? The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (JLAC) , what is your constituency?

Okay, that is not a point of order, but your sentiments are well taken. Proceed, Hon. Member for Tharaka.

I do not know.

Times have changed. I know that could have been a problem in the 10th Parliament, but I do not know if it is a problem now. I see women Members in trousers all the time here. Until such a time that the dressing code is revisited by the House, we...

Member for Funyula, and then he will be followed by the Member for South Imenti. Proceed.

The Member for South Imenti. For the benefit of Hon. Members, the Member for South Imenti is making his Maiden Speech. He cannot be interrupted. Proceed.

The Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

Clerks-at-the-Table, can you confirm that we have quorum? (Loud consultations)

Leader of the Majority Party.

It is now working. We can now go ahead and put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (Hon. Ali Raso rose on a point of order) Hon. Raso, what is your point of order? 26th October 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1

Order! This is not a subject for debate. Hon. Aden Duale is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Garissa Township. Until such a time that a writ is received or issued by the Speaker of the National Assembly that his seat is vacant, that is when he will cease being...

Order, Hon. Members! This matter has been put to rest. Hon. Duale that was a point of information and not a point of order, but it is well in line with precedence. You will have your moment in the afternoon to give your final speech before you proceed and take...

The MP for Igambang’ombe. 26th October 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5 not be addressed by Kenya Kwanza Coalition, Azimio Coalition or any other coalition, but by other leaders in this House. As we debate on these CSs, I wish that we do not become a court.I want to congratulate Hon....

Member for Laikipia North.

The Member for Tigania West.

Proceed.

Order! Order, Hon. Members! This is the august House. For God’s sake, I have been away for 10 years but this place has to look like the august House. This is not a fish market, or ngamia market for that matter. If you have to consult, do so in absolute...

Member for Emuhaya.

Member for Gilgil.

Hon. Yegon, what is your Point of Order?

Order, Hon. Members. You are supposed to freeze when the Speaker is on his or her feet. You cannot keep on talking from the sides. For God’s sake, let us protect the dignity of the House. Hon. Yegon, I agree with you. I sympathise and empathise with your condition. The...

Order, Hon. Mbadi. You cannot engage with the Speaker from the benches. By the way, you have not changed. (Laughter)

Very well taken; noted. What is your intervention, Hon. Member for Nakuru? I was in this House when I knew everybody by his or her three names but we were only about 200 at the time. Now we are almost 400. Forgive me for not knowing your name. Proceed.

Hon. Members, I am a bit rusty now. Ten years away from the Chair and you forget quite a bit. If I remember very well, if it is the intention of the majority of Members of the House that the debating time for each Member speaking be limited to five...

Thank you, Member for Gilgil. That is very generous of you. Member for Bomet East.

Order, Hon. Members! Order, Hon. Duale!

Proceed.

Hon. Members, we will have Hon. Mbadi, Hon. Faith of Nyandarua, the Member for Kiambaa and the Member for Manyatta, in that order. (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Motion on teachers speaks very much to the hearts of the people from pastoral and nomadic areas in this country. If I take you back a little bit in history, education was not provided by colonial governments. It was provided by missionaries. Because we...

Thank you. A child with C- (minus) went to medical school to do pharmacy. The then Director of Medical Services told me he would implement the resolution for one year and if the students performed poorly, he would change. Ten of the 11 top students in that pharmacy class were...