MAALIM, FARAH

Hon. Speaker, I must commend the Government on this. This is the first time that the military has been used for peace keeping in this country, and there was no genocide like the way it happened in Wagalla in Wajir in 1984. My biggest worry was that it was going...

Next Order. THE POLITICAL PARTIES (AMENDMENT) BILL THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES (AMENDMENT) BILL 12th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38 SPECIAL MOTION APPROVAL OF NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT AS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL GENDER AND EQUALITY COMMISSION Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection.

I think you have established a tradition, probably in the last 10 years, in which on such weighty matters you have to have a quorum before you can take a decision as a House. I am informed of this by none other than people who hold the institutional memory of...

I ordered the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Quorum Bell. (Laughter) Hon. Owen Baya, get the Whip of the Majority Party to whip Members to come to the House. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Order!

Yes, Hon. lady Member. Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Proceed. (Loud consultations)

Order, Hon. Members!

Hon. Members, I now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next order. RATIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM ON DEFENCE CO-OPERATION

Hon. Members, I now put the question. (Question put and agreed to)

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Health. [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Rachael Nyamai) took the Chair]

Ordinarily, the rules are that we have to strictly abide by the Standing Orders of the House. Within the same Standing Orders of the House, when a Member moves a Motion regularly or irregularly, you wait until it is moved and seconded before you can rise on a point of...

Proceed, Hon. Majimbo.

Hon. Members, before I propose the Question, I want to listen to Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, the Chair of the Committee on Regional Integration.

Hon. Members, here is an issue that merits a communication from the Chair. Indeed, Standing Order 212 (2) (d) read together with (Loud consultations) 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 19 Order Members! I am not going to propose the Question because if I do so, it will become a...

Hon. Opiyo Wandayi, the Leader of the Minority Party.

Hon. Opiyo Wandayi, the Standing Orders were framed. When it comes to laws, Standing Orders, and traditions in this country, let us always go back to the intent, spirit and object of their framers. In our wisdom when we were writing the Standing Orders, we not only said that we...

Order, Hon. Members. The Chair had said that we would move to the next Order. There was a little bit of leeway that was given because the matter….

Hon. Wakili Muriu, what exactly is your point of order? I hope it is not on what the Chair has already ruled on. Hon. Wakili Edward Muriu (Gatanga, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker…. Let us also not use this as an intellectual exercise.

That was mentioned by Hon. Millie Odhiambo, Member for Suba North. That is an area which I totally agree with you. Order, Hon. Members. We have disposed of that business. (Hon. Majimbo Kalasinga spoke off record) If you stand guided, what more guidance do you want? You have already been...

Continue.

Each one of you will have five minutes. The Mover had 10 minutes. Am I right? Yes, he had 10 minutes. Let us have the MP for Sotik, Hon. Francis Sigei. I do not know if the procedure has changed but ordinarily you need to ask someone to second you....

Order, Hon. Wandayi Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, it will be my pleasure to send as many Members of Parliament out of this House if you will be unruly. This is a warning to both sides. You address the Speaker and not one another across the aisle. If that happens,...

Order, Hon. Members! Whereas I would be glad to allow ranking Members of the House additional time…. (Loud consultations) 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 25

On matters …. Order, Members! Order, Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Order, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah. One more interruption and I promise you that I will do what I have done many times before and things will be different. Hon. Members, the Chair accepts. Before my attention was drawn to the provisions of...

Order! Order! What is your point of order? 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

Order! Order! Order! Hon. Wandayi, you are a senior Member of this House. When you ask for a point of order, you have to wait to be given that opportunity. (Hon. Jared Okello stood in his place) Hon. Members, Order! Order! Can you wait for me to give you a...

Hon. Members, I want us to treat this institution for exactly what it is. It is an august House. Each and every one of you, as many as possible, will have an opportunity to weigh in on this Adjournment Motion. Please, I am begging you as Members of Parliament because...

Is it a serious point of order about the order of the House? What is your point of order?

Order, Order! Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah. Please take your seat. Proceed Hon. Nyikal and finish your argument on the debate.

Order, Hon. Members. Standing Order 87 says: “ (1) Neither the personal conduct of the President, nor the conduct of the Speaker or of any judge, nor the judicial conduct of any other person performing judicial functions, nor any conduct of the Head of State or Government or the representative...

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Owen Baya followed by the Hon. Bensuda. (Loud consultations) Order Millie! You will have your moment.

Hon. Bensuda followed by Hon. Siyoi. The Chair has to be sensitive to the other gender, proceed.

Hon. Atieno Bensuda, a moment.

Yes! 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

Order! Hon. Baya Order! Hon. Members Order! Order! Hon. Bensuda, proceed.

Order! Order! I think time is up. Time is up. Order! Your time is up. Let us have Hon. Siyoi, followed by Hon. Korere. (Loud consultations)

What is your point of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo?

Proceed, Hon. Siyoi. (Laughter)

Order, what is your point of order? (Hon. Ken Chonga rose on a point of order)

Hon. Siyoi, proceed.

Order! Order! Let us have Hon. Korere followed by Hon. Murugara.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Please take your seat. The Member who was speaking has already exhausted her time. What is your point of order, Hon. Salasya?

Order! That is not a point of order. Order! Hon. Murugara, proceed.

Proceed. What is your point of order?

Proceed, Hon. Murugara. Order! Let us have Hon. Murugara followed by Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Hon. Rozaah Buyu followed by Hon. Naomi Waqo. Order!

Hon. Rozaah Buyu will be heard in silence. Order, Hon Members. Proceed, Hon. Member. 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38

Order! Order, Hon. Ichungw’ah!

Order, Rozaah Buyu. You have run out of your time. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo, followed by the Member of Parliament for Teso South. Order Hon. Millie you will have your moment. Proceed. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off record) 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

Order! Order! Hon. Naomi Waqo and Hon. Members of Parliament, please, address the Chair. Do not address yourselves across the aisle. If you have such burning issues and powerful points to raise, you will have your moment. Most of you are going to get your ample time. (Hon. Ken Chonga...

Mheshmiwa Millie Odhiambo followed by Mheshimiwa Kalasinga.

Order! Order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo! You cannot discuss the conduct of Hon. Ichung’wah without a substantive Motion! So, you are out of order on that. (Loud consultations)

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. You have made your point. We can now have Hon. Kalasinga followed by Member for Wajir South.

Order! Order! Proceed, Member. 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42

Order! Okay, Member for Wajir South, followed by Hon. Kaluma.

Hon. William Kamket followed by Hon. Mohammed Ali. Proceed, Hon. Kassait Kamket. What is happening? Why do you not want to go somewhere? (Laughter) 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

Order, Hon. Raphael. The Speaker does not rule on the basis of insinuations. You have to be very specific. Proceed, Hon. Kamket. Unfortunately, you have run out of time, Hon. Kamket. Hon. Mohamed Ali followed by Hon. Kaluma.

Order, Hon. Members! Order! Hon. Mohamed Ali, I had given a previous ruling here in which I said avoid imputing improper motives as much as possible to people who cannot defend themselves here. You can get your message across without mentioning names. Proceed, Hon Mohamed Ali. Mhe. Mohamed Ali (Nyali,...

Order, Hon Members! Hon. Kaluma will be heard in silence. Order, Hon. Member for Migori County and Hon. Fatuma! Hon. Member for Migori County and your neighbour, wait for your moment to give your position. You will have a moment.

Hon. Owen Baya, listen to the Hon. Member. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) : I am reading the Constitution. No! You are a leader. Order! Proceed, Hon. Kaluma.

Proceed, please. Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga (Tigania West, UDA) : We are discussing a matter of national importance. Most of us here are vilifying a very important issue. In this country, one person by the name Raila Amolo Odinga has never organised a peaceful demonstration. Even when he was...

Order! Who is on a point of order? Are you on a point of order and the Speaker is standing? Order, Hon. Members. If you want to discuss the public functions of any public figure, including the President, you can do so. You can say that the President sent forces...

What is your point of order? Point of order on what? He has not started talking. On the ruling of the Speaker? Yes, Hon. Kiborek.

Order!

Order! Hon. Waluke, you may proceed.

I did not hear that. Order! Order! Hon. Kiborek, the one crime that cannot be forgiven on the Floor of this House is when you 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 49 question the wisdom of the Speaker in running the House. Under those circumstances, you are going to stay...

Hon. Waluke, you may proceed.

Member for Taita Taveta County followed by Member for Migori County.

Woman Representative for Migori County, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed. She will be followed by the Member for Emurua Dikirr. Proceed.

Emurua Dikirr.

The Member of Parliament for Kajiado Central followed by the Member of Parliament for Wajir North. 22nd March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 (Loud consultations)

Order! Members, this is a House of debate. Have the thick skin to listen to your opponent and then when you get your moment, you go ahead and do what you have to do. Proceed.

The Member of Parliament for Wajir North. Proceed.

Order! Hon. Members. I would have loved to give an opportunity to each and every one of you, but so is the nature of things. Time is not enough. Some will lose, some have won, and those who did not get a chance this time, will do so when the...

Hon. Milemba Omboko.

Hon. Members, there is a lot of interest in this and so, even if you have 10 minutes, if you take less, it will always make a difference and give more chances to more MPs. Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani, Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning....

What is your point of order, Member for Nakuru Town East?

The rules are clear. Hon. Members, for God’s sake, try and confine yourselves to a few minutes. The rules have already been set. You are entitled to 10 minutes, but do not use the entire minutes given. Kindly, allow the other Members to have an opportunity to contribute to this....

The Member for Funyula. I presume everybody is going to take a cue from what the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning has done. My desire is that you also do the same.

(Loud murmurs)Hon. Lesuuda, followed by Hon. Atandi. Order Members, there has to be a balance. She is a lady. Ladies have to have their space. Proceed, Hon. Lesuuda. Take as few minutes as possible to give opportunity to more Members.

Hon. Atandi, Member for Alego Usonga, proceed. Do exactly what your colleagues did. Take as few minutes as possible.

We will have Hon. Osoro followed by Hon. John Kiarie. Hon. Osoro, my presumption is that you will be the gentleman I think you are. Take as few minutes as possible so as to give more time to more Members.

Let us have Hon John Kiarie followed by Hon. Mwashako. Hon. Members, you should understand that there is a lot of balances the Chair has to do. There is the issue of regions, party and all the other things. Proceed.

Hon. Mwashako. Order, Members.

Order, Hon. Member! It is my presumption that nobody is being stopped from going out. If that happens, it is not in order. (Loud consultations)

We will have Hon. Naomi Waqo followed by Hon. Mbadi and then the Member for Kitui West. You understand Standing Order

Just contribute like the rest. Do not take too much time. 28th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

Order, Hon. TJ! Hon. Members, I clearly understand the provisions of Standing Order 95 (1) . I just hope that all of you can read through it and understand it even better. It is the opinion of the Speaker that some of you are using this provision for the Mover...

Order, Hon. TJ. Somebody had raised that point of order. The Temporary Speaker has the responsibility to see if anybody is being stopped from going out or coming in. That is not happening. Proceed, Hon. Member for Mwingi West, and conclude.

Proceed. Conclude. Hon. Osoro, can you give peace to every Member here? Proceed, Hon. Member. 28th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35

Hon. Mbadi.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah. Order, Hon. Members. You all have the right. You can rise on a point of order and say that Hon. John Mbadi is misleading the House and place the facts. My presumption is that you are trying to place the facts although I am not an accountant....

Order, Hon. Members! The Speaker cannot, on his own volition, rise and put the Question. Somebody has to demand. Yes, Hon. Owen Baya.

Proceed Mover.

Order, Hon. Members! The Standing Orders are clear that when the Mover is called upon to reply but the Question has been prematurely put outside the set timeframe, then you cannot donate time.

I do not know how many minutes because the rules have changed but it was 10 minutes. Yes, 10 minutes is the ultimate limit. If you want to do so in half a minute, it is up to you.

Hon. Members, I hope you hear me even though the microphone is a bit short for tall people like me. (Question put and agreed to) The House resolved accordingly: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the First Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year...

The next chance goes to Hon. Cynthia Muge.

Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop.

Hon. Abdul Haro. He is not in the House. Hon. Martha Wangari.

Next is Hon. Beatrice Elachi, who will be followed by Hon. Bisau.

Next is Hon. Bisau.

Next is the Member for Taita Taveta, Hon. Lydia Mizighi but before you rise, I have one announcement to make. Hon. Members I want to introduce to the House students from St Andrews Tarabete Secondary School from Gilgil. I hope the Member for Gilgil, Hon. Martha Wangari is here. She...

Dr. Nyikal, I am trying to remember which constituency you represent.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei. Is she in? Hon. (Dr.) Makali Mulu.

Next is Hon. Dorothy.

Hon. Members, I am informed that there are a number of Members who would wish to contribute to this Motion, but they have already done that. The rules are very clear. You cannot contribute to a Motion twice. As a matter of fact, even if you just stand and say...

Let us have Hon. Ngogoyo, Member for Kajiado North followed by Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, Migori County.

Hon. Fatuma, followed by Hon. Charles Onchoke. Is he in the House? In that case, the Member for Emurua Dikirr, Hon. Johana Ng’eno, will follow. Proceed.