MAALIM, FARAH

Member for Marakwet West, Hon. Toroitich.

Member for Mwingi West, Hon. Charles.

Hon. Rachael Nyamai.

Hon. Eve Obara. Is it Member for Kasipul Kabondo or Kabondo?

Proceed, Hon. Member. 18th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21

Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Member of Parliament for Nambale.

Next is Hon. John Mutunga, followed by Hon. Osoro.

Hon. Osoro, followed by Hon. Millie Odhiambo. 18th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 25

Hon. Millie.

Member of Parliament for Mbeere North, followed by the Member for Sotik. Where is Hon. Sigei Francis? (Hon. Members spoke off the record) He will be followed by Hon. Muhia in his absence.

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

The Member for Runyenjes followed by the MP Zamzam and Hon. Kaguchia.

The Woman MP for Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Hon. John Kaguchia, followed by the Member for Wajir North.

Hon. Ibrahim Saney. Ibrahim Saney (Wajir North, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. In every sector of our economy, it has become common that there are cartels who manage and run it and who complicate issues, lives and livelihoods for Kenyans. The insurance sector is not different from all...

Hon. Melly. Where is Hon. Parashina who has been on a point of order? I presume he is not in. Oh, you are in? Please note that it is your turn after Hon. Melly.

Give Hon. Memusi the microphone.

That is fair enough. Hon. Members, I now propose the question. (Question proposed)

Yes, Hon. Melly.

Hon. Chairperson, please, report to the House

The Mover of the Bill, Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, please, move the agreement with the Report. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that this House do agree with the report of the Committee of the whole House in its consideration of the...

Why do you have the double standards? We have term limits for governors and presidents. (Several Members spoke off the record) Order, Hon Members. I exercised my little authority as Hon. Temporary Speaker and also as the Member of Parliament for my constituency. Let me go back to substantive business...

As part of banter and candour, I believe I will allow a few more. Hon. Pukose, are you on a point of order or do you want also to make some comments? Proceed, please.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Next is the Hon. (Dr) Oundo.

I am going to allow one-and-a-half minutes each to Hon. Melly, Hon. Mayaka and Hon. Mutuse, who is my colleague in the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Did I get the pronunciation right? Proceed, Hon. Melly followed by Hon. Mayaka and Hon. Mutuse.

Fair enough, Hon. Mutuse. I now call upon the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, to indulge us on the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act, negotiations and basically table it if it is done.

Thank you. Have you given notice? (Hon. Owen Baya spoke off the record) Proceed and give notice. NOTICE OF MOTION 11th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 60 APPROVAL OF THE MEDIATED VERSION OF THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL

Fair enough. Next order. THE KENYA DRUGS AUTHORITY BILL I am made to understand that you had moved this as the Chairman of the Committee. Were you in the process of moving it? (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) Okay. Proceed and move this Motion.

Fair enough. Standing Order No.35 is… Order, Hon. (Dr) Pukose. Indeed, Standing Order No.35 is expressed and states thus:

Order! Order, Hon. Oundo and Hon. Members. When a Quorum is raised and there is no Quorum… The Speaker only invokes Standing Order No.1 where there is a lacuna. It is not provided for. Standing Order 35 (2) says: “If on the count under paragraph (1) a quorum does not...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to also weigh in my ideas on this. This country is going to be destroyed not by anything else, not because of politics, ethnic issues and these other kinds of divides, but by drugs and alcohol abuse. The...

Order, Hon. Members. We have a quorum now. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to join the other speakers in congratulating Hon. Yegon for bringing this timely Motion. The Children Act is very categorical. It says the very best interest of the child comes first. When a parent commits a crime and he is incarcerated, there is no collective...

You can now proceed.

Hon. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The Member of Parliament for Gatanga, Hon. Wakili Muriu, has said something that I have never heard in this House. That a dam that is situated in a certain constituency does not benefit the constituency in any way. Where does the...

Member of Parliament for Mandera County, Hon. Umul Kheir.

Order, Hon. Umul Kheir. I appreciate the fact that you have leeway to give a bit of background information, but after that you are supposed to ask a question. Please, ask the Cabinet Secretary a question. You have had enough leeway to give some background information. Ask your supplementary question.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, just before you answer, give me a moment to appreciate the presence of students from Kavaini Secondary School in Mwingi West, Kitui. These young men and women are our future leaders. I am sure that they appreciate this experience. I will give a moment to their Member...

Fair enough. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, could you proceed and answer the question by Hon. Umul Kheir? It was just one question. Would you be willing to go and visit Mandera? The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation, and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : The reason the Member is requesting that I...

You have made your point, Hon. Weytan. Yes, Hon. Makilap, what is your point of order? Hon. Kamket, what is your point of order?

Order, Hon. Members. You have heard it. When a Question is brought to the Floor of the House, it is a property of the House. It does not affect any two individuals. I thought you were complementing one another, but if it is the other way round, then I am...

Order, Hon. Wakili Muriu. The tradition is very express. There is a substantive question that needs to be addressed. Once sufficient attention is given to that substantive question, you can then bring any other questions that you might think. If you are asking a supplementary or additional question on a...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can now proceed and answer questions asked by both Members. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : My response on page 5 recognises that security is one of the reasons for the delay. At the time we were doing this, there...

Order, Member of Parliament for Mandera East. This is in your constituency. It is also in the constituency of the gracious lady out there because she represents the entire Mandera County. Will it not be fair for the two of you to sit somewhere and write a letter to Cabinet...

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. You are out of order. He is speaking about facts on the ground. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Leader of the Majority Party, what is out of order here? 26th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28

Order, Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. We are past this situation now. As the Chair, I have already given you direction. Proceed, sit together and go through these things. Approach this very able Cabinet Secretary and get your business done. You are both looking for a very good sewerage...

Member of Parliament for Buuri. 26th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

Member for Kwanza, do you still want to ask your question? Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD – K) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am waiting to ask my question. Fair enough. Member for Turkana East. Who is that? I cannot see you. Proceed to ask your question.

Hon. Adams, proceed.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. You have made your point. The Chair recognised that and he is going to exercise his function very well. Wait until the matter is addressed by the Cabinet Secretary, in which case a ruling will be made on the same. I noted that you...

The Cabinet Secretary. 26th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32 Fair enough. Hon. Ochanda, you have an undertaking by the Cabinet Secretary. Once the determination is made on what falls within her docket and the other Ministry, she will answer you. Proceed.

Fair enough. Member for Kwanza, do you have a follow up question on the matter?

Unfortunately, we are now at Question No.337/2023, and it does not belong to the Cabinet Secretary. So, you should have asked those questions when other water and irrigation-related questions were being asked. We now have to move to the next Order. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and...

What is the point of order, Hon. Mwenje? I served with your father here. So, I basically have to…. 26th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

I have given you sufficient leeway. The Cabinet Secretary will not respond to that one because the next Order has already been called out. She has heard you. Please go to her office. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : I had already answered that...

Member for Wajir North.

Hon. Mogaka.