MAALIM, FARAH

Hon. Speaker, in line with what the Member from Turkana has said, we need to think outside the box and begin preparing ourselves for situations that can happen. I have mentioned this a few times and I want the Cabinet Secretary to take note. In Nigeria, the Boko Haram has...

Member for Githunguri followed by the Member for Turkana who is seated at the back.

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary to answer those Questions. much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Members of Parliament for raising those Questions. As Members of Parliament are all aware, the Free Primary Education Programme was started in this country in 2003, while the Free Day Secondary School Programme was started in...

Okay. Proceed.

Member for Kwanza, do you still want to ask the question on counselling? Are you more enriched? The Chairman will allow you to ask the question on counselling because you are too passionate about it. Proceed, Member for Funyula.

Member for Kwanza, would you want to take a bite on counselling that you are passionate about? This is the right time.

No! Order! Proceed. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD-K) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I excused you. I know what you meant. Bwana Cabinet Secretary, tell me about the Technical, Vocational Education and Training (TVET) programmes. I contributed Ksh10 million for the construction of TVETs in Kwanza, but the Ministry is yet...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Ezekiel Machogu) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Member for Nakuru Town West Constituency, Hon. Samuel Arama. Yes, we have a law which was enacted by this august House, stating that it is against the law for any institution to withhold...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary of Education (Hon. Ezekiel Machogu) : Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. A number of the classrooms that were done at that time are in use. However, you know some of those policies done without public participation are dangerous. I think the initiative was...

Order! The Standing Orders do not allow. 7th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 Asante, nitang’ang’ana. Jana Cabinet Secretary alikuja... Unajua Mhe. Bady akiwa kwa kamati, sisi humwambia azungumze kwa lugha ya Kiswahili kwa sababu Kiswahili chake ni kizuri sana.[The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] [The Temporary...

Mhe. Peter Kaluma, Kiongozi wa walio Wengi alikuwa amesimama kwa hoja ya nidhamu. Kwa hivyo, huwezi kusimama kwa hoja ya nidhamu.

Endelea Mhe. What is your point of order?

Order. The rules are very clear that if you start in Kiswahili you will have to speak Kiswahili throughout. If you start in English, you end in the same language.

Endelea, nimekuruhusu.

Before I move to the next order, I want to recognise the presence in the Public Gallery of pupils from Soin Primary School in Moiben. The boys and girls who are here have come to see how the legislative leadership of this country is transacting business. For sure, they are...

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS There are two responses to statements today.

The House does not have quorum. Indeed, you are right. We cannot transact business without quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, please, ring the Quorum Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Hon. Samuel Atandi walked out of the chamber) 7th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 Order, Hon. Atandi. Under the rules, if there...

Hon. Kemei.

I can see there is very limited interest in this. Let us have the County Woman Representative for Nandi, Cynthia Muge. Do you wish to weigh in on this? Okay, you have an opportunity.

I have Members who want to contribute. Proceed.

The Member for Tinderet, Hon. Julius Melly.

Member of Parliament of Mosop Constituency. Thank you for this opportunity to also contribute on this debate on Tax Policy 2023. I want to thank the Committee for the great job that they have done so far to make sure that we overhaul the tax policy in the country because...

What is your point of order, Hon. Kimani Kuria

Order Hon. Catherine Omanyo. It is also part of the Standing Orders of the House that you maintain relevance. The relevance here is that it is the creation of a national tax policy. It is not a tax that is being debated right now. It is the institution that is...

Proceed, Hon. Okello Jared.

Hon. Njeri Maina.

Member for Limuru, Hon. John Kiragu.

Member for Gem.

Order, Member for Gem. You do not rise on a point of order to call the Mover to reply after you have made your contribution. Only a Member who has not contributed can rise on a point of order. In this case, you did not rise on a point of...

The Nominated Member, Hon.

Hon. Waqo Naomi.

Member for Masinga. Proceed.

There being no other Member interested in contributing to this Motion, I now call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. Kuria Kimani. You can donate some of your minutes before you reply.

I would have given you an opportunity if I had seen you because during my first term in Parliament, you were the District Commissioner (DC) in my district. You were one of the most exemplary DCs I have ever seen in this country. I congratulate you for being a Member...

(Putting of the Question deferred)We will put the Question at a later date. We already have a communication that Order No.11 will be stood down. We will move to Order No. 12.

What is your point of order? 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52

Fair enough. I agree with you. Indeed, we do not have quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, under the circumstances, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Hon. Julius Melly and Hon. Joshua Mwalyo walked out of the Chamber) Order! Serjeant-at-Arms, please, note that when...

Next is Hon. Jayne Kihara, followed by Hon. Rashid Bedzimba.

Thank you. If many of us were to be subjected to the retirement age of civil servants, we would have retired by now. We are already old. Proceed, Hon. Bedzimba.

Let us have lady Hon. Rachael Nyamai followed by lady Hon. Naomi Waqo.

I am made to understand that Naomi Waqo who appears on the screen had already seconded this Motion. So, we will have to go to Hon. Beatrice Kemei.

Hon. Ruweida followed by Hon. Maina Mathenge.

Let us have the Member for Nyeri Town, followed by the Member for Buuri.

The Member for Buuri, followed by the Member for Central Imenti. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 25

Hon. Kimani Kuria.

Member for Mandera West.

Hon. Member for Belgut. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23 Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to also add my voice on this extremely important Bill.Let me start by saying that it is difficult to regulate gambling entirely. However, I have seen how different jurisdictions have...

Member for Garissa Township. He will be followed by the Member for Kangundo Constituency.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi followed by Hon. Mutunga John. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26 Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity. I also want to add my voice to this important Bill. The whole idea is to bring some sanity into the gambling industry. As explained by many,...

Member for Bondo, followed by the Woman Representative for Kirinyaga County, Hon. Njeri Maina.

Hon. Njeri Maina followed by the Member for Marakwet West, Hon. Timothy Toroitich. Is he here?

Okay.

Member of Parliament for Mandera East, Hon. Abdul Haro. He will be followed by Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Mutuse. Is the Member of Parliament for Limuru, Hon. John Kiragu in the House? Is he in?

You will follow Hon. Mutuse.

The Member of Parliament for Limuru, followed by the Member of Parliament for Nyeri Town then followed by Member of Parliament for Mosop.

Hon. Duncan Mathenge.

Hon. Member for Mosop Constituency.

Member of Parliament for Emgwen Constituency, followed by Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Ruku, you have one minute.

Hon. Members, ordinarily, when you want to donate, you do it before you reply. I am saying this for the benefit of Leader of the Majority Party and Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. However, Hon. Temporary Speaker is willing to give that leeway. He wishes he was on the...

Give the microphone to Hon. Beatrice Kemei. Hon. Beatrice Kemei? Let us have Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. David Mboni.

Yes, indeed, you can have one more minute. 22nd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

Member for Voi, Hon. Abdi Chome. Proceed.

Hon. Mwalyo, Member of Parliament for Masinga.

Next is Hon. Jane Kagiri, the County Women Representative for Laikipia.

Next is the Member for Mwea Constituency. Please, give her the microphone.

Member for Sotik, Hon. Francis Sigei.

Member for Kilifi North, Hon. Owen Baya.

Member for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Ordinarily, you rise on a point of order or a point of information when the Member is on his feet. You cannot do that when the Member has concluded speech. (Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi consulted loudly) Order! The only way the Member can clarify that is to seek a point of...

Order! Are you the Member for Karachuonyo? Proceed with your contribution, Member for Karachuonyo.

I noticed the Member for Homa Bay raising her hand. I will give you an opportunity to contribute to this, but I want to remind Members of Parliament to keep their cards in the intervention slot so that I am able to read 22nd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38...

The Member of Parliament for Kisauni, Hon. Bedzimba.

Okay. How about Hon. Stephen Mogaka, Member of Parliament for West Mugirango? Proceed, learned counsel. There is a microphone next to you.

The Woman Representative for

Order, Member for Migori. What is your point of order, Hon. Owen Baya?

Order, Member for Migori. It is always not such a powerful issue, if you discuss the Government in a kind of generality, by saying it spends this and that. When you get so specific, the Standing Orders provide for that. Standing Order 87 (1) says: “Neither the personal conduct of...

Order, Hon. Member. What if any Member rises and asks you to substantiate the Ksh200 million you are talking about? You are supposed to substantiate that instantaneously. At the same time, with proof. Therefore, be very careful about all these things. Proceed. 22nd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42

You are absolutely in order to mention “government”. The only thing the Standing Orders restrict is when you get personal and on the personal conduct of a President himself or a judge or the Speaker of the House. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Okay. There being no other Member, we will call the next Order. (Hon. Japheth Nyakundi raised his hand) The Member raising your hand, are you on a point of order? Do you want to contribute? Do you not have a card? (Hon. Japheth Nyakundi spoke off the record) Your card...

I shall now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Chair has certain discretions, indeed quite powerful. Therefore, the putting of the question will be deferred to the next Session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE LAND LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL Where is he? He has just been here now. Yes, proceed.

(Bill deferred)We will stand down Order No.12 for another day. Order No. 13. THE NATIONAL DISASTER RISK MANAGEMENT BILL Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Fair enough. Your request is assented to. (Bill deferred)Yes, Order No. 13 has also stood down for another day. Order No.14. THE PUBLIC PROCUREMENT AND ASSET DISPOSAL (AMENDMENT) BILL The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

He is indisposed. I have a feeling that this information was also communicated to the Hon Speaker. Under the circumstances, this one also is stood down to another day.

Order No. 15. THE ANTI-CORRUPTION AND ECONOMIC CRIMES (AMENDMENT) BILL

(Bill deferred)Order No.15 is stood down to another day. Order No.16. THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Mover, Hon. (Capt) Ruweida Obo.

Hon. Abdi Chome. Member for Voi.

Hon. Bedzimba.

Hon. Owen Baya.

Why is your name still there if you have already spoken? Anyway, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

Hon. John Makali. Is he in the House? He will be followed by Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Hon. John Makali (Kanduyi, FORD–K) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to the President’s State of the Nation Address. The Speech was given pursuant to the provisions of Article...

Hon. Ibrahim Saney, followed by Hon. Paul Biego of Chesumei and Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a of Thika.

Order! The first basic rule you learn in Parliament is that you do not cast aspersions on the Speaker. Proceed, Hon. Biego, followed by Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a.

Hon Biego, I will interrupt you. You will have your minutes. Take your seat. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR DELEGATION FROM THE COMMONWEALTH PARLIAMENTARY ASSOCIATION Hon. Members, I wish to recognise the presence of Members of Parliament from the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association and staff from their parliaments. (Applause)(Loud consultations)(Applause) 15th November...

Sorry, I forgot the Legislative Council of Saint Helena. You are most welcome. The Member for Chesumei, you can conclude your contribution on the President’s Address.

Hon. Alice before you proceed I would like to ask that we go back to Order No.5. I ask the Chair of Budget and Appropriations Committee to lay the Papers and give a notice of the Motion.

I thought you also wanted to contribute on the President’s Address to Parliament? Or, you are putting in the notice of Motion? Proceed and give the Notice of Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT ON THE SECOND SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES

Hon Alice Ng’ang’a followed by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro and then Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Next is Hon. Catherine Omanyo, followed by the Woman Representative for Kirinyaga County and Hon. Amina Mnyazi.

Order, Hon. Rutto. It is not a specific claim on a Ministry or individual. It is a very general statement. The circumstances in the House allow candour and banter. Hon. Omanyo, you may proceed.

Who is that Hon. Member at the end there rising on a point of order?

Order! The rules for substantiation are very clear. When you make specific complains or claims, you are supposed to substantiate. However, when a Member makes general complaints like the economy is not doing well or there is an element of nepotism somewhere, he cannot be asked to substantiate. If a...

Hon. Owen Baya, you are on a point of order.

Order, Hon. Baya! The Chair has taken note of your sentiments. Order! We will not degenerate to name-calling that you want. Yes, there are certain words that are not parliamentary. For example, “lying” is not parliamentary, especially when you are referring to a fellow Member of Parliament or a Minister....

Hon. Mnyazi Amina. Now that I have given you an opportunity, you will be followed by Hon. Nabwera Nabii and then Hon. Kawanjiku John.

Hon. Nabwera.

I will give the opportunity to Hon. Kawanjiku. You cannot rise on a point of order when there is nobody on the Floor. Proceed, Hon. Kawanjiku.

Hon. Kiborek, followed by Hon. Oyula and Hon. Rebecca Tonkei. Proceed.

Okay. Is Hon. Tonkei next? Yes, Hon. Oyula. Hon. Tonkei then Hon. Jessica Mbalu and the Member of Parliament for Magarini will follow you. We will go in that order.

Hon. Rebecca Tonkei.

Next is Hon. Jessica Mbalu, who will be followed by the Member for Magarini, Hon. Kemei of Kericho County and then Hon. Rutto Julius. Proceed in that order.

Order, Hon. Tonkei Rebecca.

The President is a public property. He is the President of the Republic of Kenya and these things are policy matters and people have their different opinions. This is a House of opinions. You might not necessarily agree with that lady, but when you get your opportunity, give me your...

Let us have the Member of Parliament for Magarini followed by Hon. Kemei, Hon. Rutto and the Members for Lamu East and Kitutu Chache Constituencies. Is Hon. Japheth there? Proceed in that order and then I will give the next round. Proceed.

Asante. As part of the rules, if you start with English, you must end with English. If you are too comfortable with Kiswahili, then you must do the whole presentation in Kiswahili. We will have Hon. Kemei followed by the Member for Kitutu Chache. We can then have the Member...

Proceed Hon. Julius Rutto.

Next is Hon. Ruweida. What happened to the Member of Parliament for Kitutu Chache North? Okay, Hon. Ruweida you may proceed. Hon. Nyakundi will be next after you.

Next is the Member for Kitutu Chache North.

Hon. Beatrice Adagala followed by Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo then Hon. Stephen Mogaka. Hon. Bernard Kitur you will have your shot, do not worry. Proceed, Hon. Adagala Beatrice.

I will seek the indulgence of Hon. Kimaiyo. Before I give you a chance, I will give it to Hon. Sitienei. I apologise. I kind of missed out on that because you had already given a notice and you have had an accident before. So, you should have had a...

Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. The Member for West Mugirango and Hon. Bernard Kitur will contribute after Hon. Kimaiyo. We will then have one more round for other Members who wish to contribute.

Next to contribute is Hon. Mogaka, followed by Hon. Bernard Kitur, Member of Parliament for Nandi Hills who will be followed by the Member of Parliament for West Pokot. He will be followed by the Member of Parliament for Gichugu Constituency. Proceed in that order.

The Member for Nandi Hills, followed by the Member for West Pokot.

Fair enough. Next is the Member for West Pokot.

Next is Hon. Gichimu, MP for Gichugu, who will be followed by Hon. Kiunjuri and then Hon. Peter Kaluma, Member for Homa Bay Town.

Hon. Kiunjuri.

Next is Hon. Peter Kaluma, Member for Homa Bay Town, who will be followed by Hon. Fredrick Lusuli Ikana, Member for Shinyalu. Proceed Hon. Kaluma.

You have had your time. Next is the Member for Shinyalu, Hon. Ikana.

Order! Hon. Harrison Kombe.

Indeed, you are right. We do not have quorum. Can the Serjeant-at-Arms ring the Quorum Bell so that we get quorum? The Whips should whip Members to come to the House so that we can continue with the debate. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Hon. Member for Shinyalu! When...