Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We do not have a substantive Bill before us. His Excellency the President is inviting us to share our insights on these matters he remitted to the Speaker of this honourable House. I will, therefore, keep to that devoid of politics. On the...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, I want to call upon all first time MPs to visit Kiharu and see for themselves what the NG-CDF is doing for the Kiharu people under your oversight. As a person who has seen it, I know it is good. The gentleman from Nyando, Hon. Jared Okelo.

Thank you very much. Hon. David Gikaria, the person under whose charge our environment is protected.

Thank you Hon. David Gikaria for ending your presentation. You remind me of the late Hon. William Chepkut who would recite all provisions without reference. Can we have Hon. Clive Gisairo of Kitutu Masaba?

Thank you. Is Hon. Joseph Emathe, Member for Turkana Central in the House? He is not there. Hon. Dido Raso, the Vice- Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs.

Thank you. Hon. Members, we have barely less than 30 minutes to go. So, I want to encourage those of you who are going to get time to be as targeted as Hon. Dido Raso. If you can be done within less than 10 minutes, do it so that other...

Is Hon. Josses Lelmengit, the gentleman representing Emgwen in the House present? Let us have Hon. John Gitonga of Manyatta Constituency for five minutes.

Thank you very much, Hon. Gitonga. The gentle lady from Moiben Constituency, the Hon. Phylis Bartoo. You have five minutes

Thank you for that wise presentation. Hon. John Waluke, you have five minutes.

Thank you very much, Hon. Waluke. The Member for Banisa, Hon. Kulow Hassan.

Order, Hon. Hassan. How many minutes will he have? (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerks-at-the-Table) You will have six minutes when debate will continue on this Motion tomorrow.

Hon. Members, the time being 7.03

Hon. Kawanjiku John Njuguna. Is Hon. Wanjiku John Njuguna in the House?

Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Question put and agreed to) Mover! APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES

Next is Hon. Millie Odhiambo- Mabona, Member for Suba North, and a senior counsel. The requests we have here are over 22, and we barely have 55 minutes to go. If you can make your point and save time for colleagues, it will be better so that we are all...

I was asking whether the Chair of the National Assembly Select Committee... (Several Members spoke of record) Is there is a problem? Hon. Temporary Speaker’s microphone is not working? Am I now audible? Yes, as you contribute Hon. Musa Sirma, please also explain to the nation why the NG-CDF has...

So, when you reply, tell the House why the NG-CDF has not been disbursed because so far I am aware that there is no order or anything stopping its disbursement. If we are a serious House, we should not just be crying as if we do not have anything to...

Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani, Member for Molo.

Hon. John Waluke is back in the House. I will give him a chance to speak. (Applause)

Thank you very much Hon. John Waluke. Your wisdom was missed. We wish you well and pray they do not mess up with your liberty again. Hon. John Kawanjiku.

Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, Member of Parliament for Thika Town.

Hon. Adipo Okuome, on account of disability, Member for Karachuonyo.

Thank you. Mover.

Hon. Cynthia Muge.

Hon. Betty Maina.

Let us now have Hon. Omar Mwinyi, also known as Simba Tena.

Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara.

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Mover, as you reply, respond to the question I had asked.

Thank you, Hon. Musa Sirma. I know how passionate you are. Several Members are disappointed because they did not get a chance to speak on this matter. As the Motion states, this matter will involve a lot of public participation which will require even your views. I regret and register...

Hon. Jared Okello, does the fact that he is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock take away his right as the representative of the people who brought him here?

Hon. Jared Okello, I think you are exaggerating the powers of a chair of a committee. The chair of a committee is like the Temporary Speaker speaking with you now. He does not decide but presides over meetings of the committee. In such meetings, Members have their decisions to make...

Hon. Mutunga, in law, we have a doctrine called volenti non fit injuria. You have invited the problem to yourself and, therefore, you cannot enjoy protection from me. I will add you one minute to continue.

Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Mutunga, can you answer the question that Hon. Kirima has asked, in a minute, so that we can proceed? He has asked whether your duty as a Member of Parliament is to the citizens of Kenya or America? That is what I heard him ask. I think it is...

You have made your point, Hon. Mutunga, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Let us now hear the Member for Kisumu West, Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Order, Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Hon. Naomi Waqo, what is out of order?

Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Thank you, Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Next is Hon. Samuel Moroto, the Member for Kapenguria.

Next is the Member for Kilgoris, Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Member for Central Imenti, Hon. Moses Kirima.

Mjumbe wa Likoni, Mhe. Mishi Mboko.

Hata ladha ya tomato hiyo si nzuri. Tumepata kusikiliza Kiswahili sanifu kutoka Jimbo la Mombasa. Sasa nampa nafasi Mhe. Mark Mwenje, Mbunge wa Embakasi West.

Let us hear Hon. Christine Ombaka, Member for Siaya County.

Sasa ni zamu ya Mbunge wa Jimbo la Mombasa, Mhe. Zamzam Chimba.

Sasa ni zamu ya Mjumbe wa Starehe.

Next is the Member for West Mugirango, Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

Hon. Joseph Oyula, Member for Butula.

Hon. Lilian Siyoi, you have two minutes.

Hon. Marwa Kitayama, are you on a point of order?

Hon. Kitayama, it was an Adjournment Motion. I know you have been cut short but the business of Parliament is prescribed in time. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

Thank you, Hon. Julius Sunkuli. The Member for Marsabit County, Dr Naomi Waqo.

The Member for Seme, Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal.

Thank you. Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali.

Hon. Makali, just before you sit, Article 40 speaks to the right to property. I am asking you this as a lawyer. One has the right to acquire, possess, abuse, misuse and dispose of property. There is also Article 68, to which you have referred the House, which talks about...

Member for Kericho County, Hon. Beatrice Kemei. You look very anxious to contribute. (Laughter)

Thank you very much, Hon. Mpuru Aburi, Member for Tigania East. I hear you are a squatter.

The Member for Samburu County, Hon. Pauline Lenguris. Hon. Members, we have barely 10 minutes to the end of debate today. If you could use even fewer minutes, we will accommodate more.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, are you on an intervention button or you want to contribute? Can you use less than three minutes?

(Technical hitch)Let us have the Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari. Is there a problem with the system there? It is barely audible.

Hon. Leah Sopiato, Member for Kajiado County. Let a pastoralist speak after a landlord. (Laughter)

Order, Hon. Member. The Temporary Speaker is on his feet. I am grateful, Hon. Members, for the interest demonstrated in this particular Motion. The Motion should be debated for three hours. I am informed that we have only debated it for one hour and twenty-five minutes. So, we have a...

Order, Hon Johanna Kipyegon. What is out of order, Hon. Sabina?

Hon. Sabina, I have noted your request and the submissions accompanying it. Let me allow Hon. Johana Kipyegon to complete his presentation and then I will seek the approval of the House in the direction you are seeking.

Hon. Sabina Chege had stood in her place to ask whether the Mover should be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Order, Hon. Members! I beg the Members to sit so that we can put the Question on Order No 9. Order, Whip of the Majority Party! Freeze! Who is that walking out? Freeze! Members, because you are there, there is a Question which was deferred for Motion No 9. I...

Condolences of the House are equally registered. I am sorry for the loss, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Grace Odhiambo, Senior Counsel.

Thank you, Hon. Milly Odhiambo. Your thoughts are always valuable. Hon. Sabina Chege, nominated MP.

Just hold on, Hon. Sabina Chege. Is the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation in the House? I remember this debate was raised by the Deputy Speaker in the last Parliament, and the debate was very passionate. It is unfortunate that we are still pursuing this and yet, the Chairperson...

She will get a chance to speak. Take note that we want action from that Committee in terms of implementation of house resolutions.

Hon. Pukose.

Ahsante sana. Mbunge wa kaunti ya Mombasa, Mhe. Zamzam Chimba.

Ahsante sana. Member of Parliament for Laikipia East. Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri.

Thank you, Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri. I know that only a few of us remember that you are the immediate former Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture, Livestock, Fisheries and Irrigation. Therefore, you have spoken from deep knowledge of the subject matter. Let us have the Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Maina Mathenge.

Mjumbe wa Jimbo la Migori, Mheshimiwa Fatuma Mohammed.

The Member of Parliament for Ruiru, Hon. Simon King’ara.

Mjumbe wa Changamwe, Ndugu Mhe. Omar Mwinyi.

Member for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

Member for Marsabit County, Dr. Naomi Waqo.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker and Hon. Members, for the interest in the Motion. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 16th November 2022, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

Thank you very much, Hon. Omboko Milemba. I wish Members can take that approach because the requests are very many against the time that we have. If you can make your point in five minutes, you do not have to use 10 minutes. Can we have Hon. David Mboni, Member...

Thank you very much. Is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Runyenjes in the House; Hon. Eric Muchangi? Hon. Yusuf, Member for Kamukunji.

Thank you, Hon. Yussuf, for being brief. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari.

Hon. Gitaru, you should pursue such talks outside the House. Next is the Member for Masinga, Hon. Joshua Mwalyo. Is he in the House?

Let us have Hon. John Waweru, Dagoretti South MP.

Thank you very much, Hon. Kiarie. The Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome.

The MP for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Lelmengit. I am only giving you two minutes. I do not know whether you will make it because the Mover has reply.

Thank you very much, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. Mover.

The Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe Constituency.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

Hon. Eric Muchangi.

Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Where is Hon. Maina Mathenge? Is he in? He has left. So, Mover?

Thank you. Hon. John Waweru.

Thank you, Hon. John Waweru. Hon. Members, I will defer the putting of the question on this Motion to an appropriate time when the House will be next siting, as requested by Hon. John Waweru under Standing Order 53 (3) . (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the...

Those are great contributions. I hope the proponents of this constitutional amendment are taking notes. I cannot see them in the House. Are they here? They have run away. Hon. Kathambi Chepkwony.

Thank you for those passionate contributions. I hope the nation has been watching and listening to Hon. Kathambi. Is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi in the House? (Loud consultations) Order, Hon. Member. I will give you a minute. Hon. Gachobe, could you be leaving?

I just wanted to notify you if you were leaving. You have waited for far for too long. You are very close to speaking. You may continue. I will add her an additional minute.

Asante sana. Tuendelee kwa hiyo lugha kidogo. Nataka Mhe. Rashid Bedzimba, Mbunge wa Kisauni, aendelee vivyo hivyo.

Ahsante sana, Mhe. Rashid. Tunaye Mhe. Janet Sitienei, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Turbo. Tuendelee katika Kiswahili, dada.

Thank you, Hon. Sitienei Janet for those educative words and your generosity to Members. I think this is the trend we should continue with so that as many Members as possible can talk. We are honoured to be with the Chair of the Committee on Budget and Appropriations in the...

Hon. Nyoro, you did not address the House on the proposed Oversight Fund. I assume those are the matters you have indicated you could discuss with the proponents separately. We take your word seriously because when you speak, the Government is speaking. Do you want to say something on that...

Thank you, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Member for Kiharu. Thank you for the good work you are doing with NG-CDF. I would request the new Members of Parliament to visit Kiharu Constituency if they want to check on how transformative to society the NG-CDF or these funds being proposed here can...

Thank you for the wise counsel, Hon. Naicca Johnson. I hope the proponents of the Bill are listening. Turudi kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nampatia fursa hii Mjumbe wa Subukia, Mhe. Samuel Gachobe, azungumzie mjadala huu.

Hon. Gachobe, did you require more time? You were just going into a point which should be relayed more strongly than by one sentence as you are doing in a rush. Even in my constituency, students have been sent back home, majorly by extra-county and national schools. It is a...

Thank you, Hon. Gachobe. Let us have Hon. Julius Mawathe, MP for Embakasi South.

Asante sana ndugu Mawathe kwa mawaidha hayo. Umenena vyema. Tuko na dada Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Moiben. Ni nafasi yake kunena.

Hon. Tonui, I hope our new colleagues are learning something from the old colleagues like you in terms of how we are generous with time once we put in our points. Let us have Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, Nominated Member.

Your nomination was truly merited. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti Constituency.

Thank you very much, Hon. Kimilu. Ndugu John Bwire, Mbunge wa Eneo Bunge la Taveta, ninaomba uturudishe kwenye lile gurudumu la lugha ya taifa.

Thank you, Hon. John Bwire. For those who knew you before, like myself, you are a great addition to Parliament as a whole, not just the National Assembly. I wish you well as I congratulate you in this journey to join us in being the ATM. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. George Gachagua, and congratulations on your election. Let us have Hon. Yussuf Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Wajir West.

Thank you very much. Let us have the Member for Ndia, Hon. George Kariuki.

Hon. Members, we have less than ten minutes to go. If the next speakers could crunch time, it would help a lot. Hon. Nabii Nabwera, Member for Lugari.

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.

The Member for Sigor, Hon. Peter Lochakapong.

Order, Hon. Lochakapong. I am very sorry you have used only one minute. You will have nine minutes the next time the House will sit to discuss this matter. My regret is also to Hon. Edwin Gichuki. I do not know whether he is in the House. I am very...

Let us have Hon. James Nyikal.

Let us have the Member for Kesses, Hon. Julius Rutto.

Let us have the Member for Kamukunji Constituency, Hon. Yusuf Hassan.

The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Josses Lelmengit,

The Member for Bungoma, Hon. Catherine Wambilianga.

Thank you for using the least time to address the matter. Is Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member for Embakasi West, in the House?

Member for Magarini, Hon. Harisson Kombe. Mhe. Harisson Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kuniona. Ningependa kumpongeza Mhe. Mule na Mhe. Gichimu kwa kuileta Hoja hii ambayo inaitisha marekebisho ya Katiba ili tuweze kuiweka hazina ya maendeleo ya Maeneo Bunge ndani ya Katiba. Mhe. Spika wa...

We bypassed the Member for Igembe North. Is he in the House?

Member for Funyula.

Member for Baringo County, Hon. Jematiah Florence.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Maina Mathenge.

Thank you. Hon. Mishi Mboko, Member for Likoni. Mhe. Mishi Mboko (Likoni, ODM) : Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Kongole kwa kupata fursa ya kutuongoza katika Bunge hili la 13. Kwanza, nawapongeza Wabunge wenzetu wawili kwa kuileta Hoja hii ya marekebisho ya Katiba ili tuweke sheria ya NG-CDF, NGAAF...

Member of Bomet East, Hon. Richard Yegon.

Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member. (An Hon. Member consulted loudly) You are certainly not Hon. Irene.

Member for Lungalunga, Hon. Mwangale Chiforomodo. I hope I pronounced your name correctly.

Member for Marsabit County.

Thank you very much. Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Member for Kericho.

The interest of Members on the Motion being debated has been noted. We have few seconds to the end of todays’ session. Proceed, Hon. Member.

Hon. Member, you will have four minutes to debate the Motion when Parliament sits next time. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00