Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Thank you very much the Budget and Appropriations Committee Chairperson. Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona, Member of Parliament for Suba North.

Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo Mabona, for that good direction in terms of how audits should be done. Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, Member for Kisauni.

Did I see Hon. Ruth Odinga, the Women Representative for Kisumu request for an opportunity to speak to this Motion? Is Hon. Ruth Odinga in the House? (Loud consultations)

Ahsante sana. Mbunge wa Mosop, Mhe. Abraham Kirwa.

In the meantime, proceed, Hon. Kirwa. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona consulted with the Temporary Speaker)

Thank you very much. Member for Kisumu County, Hon. Ruth Odinga.

Thank you very much, Hon. Ruth Odinga. Do we have the Member for Marakwet West, Hon. Timothy Toroitich?

Hon. Toroitich, it is very refreshing to listen to you. Can you rush because you are running out of time? I am keen to adding you more time, if you still have contributions to make. That point you made on sovereignty of the House and how the audit process should...

Thank you, Hon. Toroitich. Hon. Jared Okello.

Thank you, Hon. Jared Okello. Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara, Member for Kabondo Kasipul.

Thank you very much, Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara. When the Speaker recognised you, some people thought you would speak about the NGAAF. They do not understand that in Homa Bay, women leaders of your calibre are elected to lead constituencies. Thank you for your significant contribution. Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo,...

Thank you Hon. Andrew Okuome. Is Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu in the House? She has a request. She must have stepped out. There being no further interest or request to speak to the Motion, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you very much.

Hon. Andrew Okuome, in line with Standing Order 53 (3) of the House, I will defer the putting of the Question on the Motion to the next time it is scheduled in the Order Paper by the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. RATIFICATION OF THE...

Ring the Quorum Bell for the time provided for in the Standing Order. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Members. The time being

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, we will now take supplementary questions. We have the Member of Parliament for Bura.

Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

Hon. Jessica Mbalu, that was a very long statement. I request Members asking supplementary questions, especially Members whose questions have been responded to, to be brief. Members, remember that in our Standing Orders, the time within which the Cabinet Secretary should be in the House is limited and it is...

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, I request you and your team to take note so that we take as many questions as possible. Let us have Hon. Abraham Kirwa. (A Member spoke off-record)

Hon. Abdul Haro.

Thank you. Give the microphone to Hon. Ali Abdisirat Khalif to ask his question. Is it that the electronic system of Parliament is not working or what is happening? Parliament has a way of dealing with all the issues. Do not worry.

Thank you. Hon. Owen Baya. Hon. Members, is this the last question?

Thank you Hon. Owen Baya. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

Next is Hon. Farah Maalim.

Member for Kamukunji. The last time I checked I was told the right side of the Speaker is the Government side. You will get a chance. I know the Cabinet Secretary will be gracious enough to take your questions and have them addressed. You will have your chance. Hon. Yusuf....

Hon. Members, the next Order is No.8 on the approval of nominee for appointment as a Member of the SRC. I also note that most Members are asking questions not related to the questions previously remitted to the Cabinet Secretary. Cabinet Secretary, are you still able to take more so...

Hon. Letipila, Member for Samburu North. We are definitely done with the left side. We are moving towards the Cabinet Secretary now. (Several Members spoke off-record) Hon. Letipila, Member for Samburu North!

Hon. Kitany.

Hon. Dido Raso.

Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Hon. Victor Koech.

Hon. (Dr.) Pukose.

Member for Elgeyo Marakwet.

Hon. Kamuren.

Member for Kesses.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Jayne Kihara.

Hon. Hillary Kosgei.

Cabinet Secretary, are you able to take three more supplementary questions, or we leave it at two? I do not know the interest of Members of Parliament in the energy sector. I will have difficulties if I denied them an opportunity, particularly the ones on this side. Cabinet Secretary, there...

Hon. Dekow Barrow, the Member of Parliament who replaced the former Leader of the Majority Party. Is it not so?

Lastly is Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member of Parliament for Kitui.

Let us have Hon. Ruku. Could we agree that this be the last, Hon. Members? Remember we are dealing with a Motion on appointment of a commissioner that is timed by law, over which we have to make a decision. Remember also that when we passed the Standing Orders allowing...

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Thank you. Let us have Hon. Zamzam Chimba. The Cabinet Secretary is only going to take only five minutes to respond to all questions.

Hon. Eric Muchangi, the last question.

Thank you very much. Cabinet Secretary you have your platform to respond to the Members, and it will be five minutes because of the other businesses the House has to transact. Hon. Members, any question which would not have been specifically responded to by the Cabinet Secretary, you are free...

You are out of order, Hon. Yakub Adow. I want you to look at your Standing Orders. There is no specific order in which a Cabinet Secretary should respond to questions raised on behalf of the people. I hope that is the reason we are asking them. Permit the Cabinet...

The Cabinet Secretary had indicated that he would use five minutes. Colloquially, it means the shortest time possible to answer in the most satisfactory manner to the Members. I want to remind you, Members, that this is not the only business we have to transact today. There is very critical...

Just a minute, Hon. Gikaria. Cabinet Secretary, are you aware of this matter? The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : The Question by Hon. Lemanken Aramat, the Member for Narok East on the 30 employees? I am aware of that matter. Hon. David Gikaria.

Cabinet Secretary, do you have that response, or could we direct Hon. Gikaria to pursue it with your office separately? The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : To a very good extent, I think there was a challenge with some employees. Cabinet Secretary, if you have...

Hon. Gikaria confirmed that he received a notification from the Clerk that his Question will be on the Order Paper. I think that is the context in which the Cabinet Secretary confirms he came ready with the response. (Hon. David Gikaria spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Gikaria. You do...

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, conclude. The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : Let me conclude, Hon. Members, by acknowledging the fact that it is a great opportunity to appear before this honourable House to listen to the concerns. Sometimes, we can plan out there alone, thinking...

The Member for Kipipiri, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

The Member for Soy. Hon. Members, I have 10 requests against 25 minutes. Therefore, it will be very good if we could compress whatever we are saying to accommodate more Members. Proceed!

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti North.

Member of Parliament for Kangema, Hon. Peter Kihungi.

Let us have the Member of Parliament for Chesumei, Hon. Paul Biego.

Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, had you spoken?

Had you contributed to the Motion? (Hon. Gideon Mulyungi spoke off-record) Pardon? Oh, you are the Mover? You would have been the next. Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit.

Order, Hon. Naomi Waqo. You will have five minutes to conclude your debate next time the Motion will be listed by the House Business Committee for consideration. I regret that Hon. Augustine Mwafrika, Member for Roysambu, did not get a chance to contribute. Hon. Kivai Ogesi, Member for Vihiga, has...

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker, I sit in the Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs which vetted the nominee. I made it clear that I was not just impressed by his knowledge of the matters falling under the charge of the National Police Service Commission, but also has the passion...

Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. Is the Leader of the Majority Party in the House? We will have Hon. Silvanus Osoro on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon Members, Hon. Silvanus Osoro is laying Papers on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party. Chair, stay within and let the Leader of the Majority Party, through his delegate, lay the Paper. For this purpose, Hon. Osoro please proceed.

Thank you, Majority Whip. The Leader of the Majority Party has just stepped in. I would like to assure you that the Majority Whip has ably spoken on your behalf. Give the Leader of the Majority Party the microphone to say a word.

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. I hope the Committee Chairpersons, both Departmental and Select Committees, have taken note. The Leader of the Majority Party ran in for a reason. Give the microphone to Commissioner Patrick Makau.

Thank you, Hon. Patrick Makau. Hon Members, I ought to have formally indicated for the HANSARD that I interrupted the debate which was ongoing so that those Papers, due to their critical nature, are laid. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, it has also been brought to my attention that by error, we...

Hon. Wanjiku, that is a very important point that you are making. Luckily, the Leader of the Majority Party of the House – not of the majority side – and the Majority Whip are in the House. I wish that in as much as they are consulting – not to...

Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. Hon. Nimrod Mbai, Member for Kitui East.

Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, Member for Mwingi Central.

Thank you very much. Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti North.

Thank you, Hon. Beatrice Elachi, for those informative contributions. The Whip of the Majority Party, and Member for South Mugirango, Hon. Silvanus Osoro.

I add Hon. Silvanus Osoro three minutes and he will be followed by Hon. Irene Mayaka and the others who have requested to speak in that order like Hon. Muthoni who has been waiting to speak. Proceed.

Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member of Parliament.

Thank you, Hon. Irene Mayaka. I cannot see Hon. Dorothy Ikiara. Give Hon. Dorothy Ikiara the microphone.

Order! Who is this Member crossing the Floor to talk to Hon. Millie and is pulled by Hon. Osoro? (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Could the Member do what we do in the House in terms of crossing the aisles? Just go up to there and do the...

Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

Order, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Hon. Mulyungi, where did you come from to this side? We cannot give our new Members habits other than those prescribed in the Standing Orders. It is up to the other end. You do not cross as you go. (Laughter)

I want to interrupt debate for a short while to allow the Leader of the Majority Party lay a Paper. Hon. Millie, as a former Member of the Pan African Parliament, prepare to make your contributions. The Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Thank you, Hon. Millie. Hon. Kamande Mwafrika.

Hon. Mwafrika, do you need any information from the Whip of the Majority Party?

It is not a point of order. For a point of information, if you do not need the information, it cannot be given. So, the question again is: Do you need information from the Whip of the Majority Party or not?

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga.

Member for Kisumu East, Hon. Shakeel Shabbir.

Hon. Shabbir Hon. Shakeel Shabbir (Kisumu East, Independent) : Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Standing Orders do not allow you to mention a person who cannot defend himself before this House.

Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe.

Is it the mood of the House that the Mover should be called upon to reply?

Mover.

Thank you very much. For good reasons, the Question on the Motion will be put when the House sits next and when the matter will be scheduled by the House Business Committee. I am very pleased with the debates made. I wish we could pick this, particularly the relevant committees...

Thank you very much. Let us have Hon. Elsie Muhanda, the Member for Kakamega County.

Let us have Hon. Gitonga Murugara, Member for Tharaka Constituency.

Thank you, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. You know what your Committee should be doing around those issues. Hon. Member for Samburu West, Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

Thank you, Hon. Lesuuda. Hon. Johana Ng’eno, Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal, Member for Seme.

Thank you very much. Is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education in the House? Has the Ministry of Health reported to you what killed the girls of Mukumu Girls High School? Please, make your contribution as you respond to that question.

I would have added you a minute or two if you had requested, as the Chairperson for the Departmental Committee on Education. We thank you for your contribution because you have concluded. Where is Hon. John Kaguchia, Member of Parliament for Mukurweini.

Hon. Kaguchia, the Temporary Speaker only intervenes when it is a matter of national importance - like when I was asking questions to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education to know whether he has information about what killed our students. It was a critical question to him as...

You will be given 30 more seconds.

Hon. Fatuma Jehow.

Thank you, Hon. Fatuma Jehow. Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County, Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei.

Hon. Ng’elechei, were you talking about private schools or public schools?

That is the union in charge of post primary teachers. Remember that in the tragedy we are talking about, a teacher also died. Were you talking about private schools or public schools?

His point is that for public schools, the numbers are not about the teachers seeking them but because of the implementation of that policy. So, kindly clarify.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member of Parliament for Emuhaya Constituency.

Thank you, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Next is Hon. Martin Owino, Member for Ndhiwa.

Thank you, Hon. Martin Owino Peters. Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Member of Parliament for Kericho County.

The Member of Parliament for Dagoreti North. The chance will pass. Hon. (Dr.) Naomi Waqo, Member of Parliament for Marsabit County and the Deputy Majority Leader.

Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri.

Member for Samburu East, Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

Hon. Members, if you can, please, use less than three minutes. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Member for Taita Taveta, Hon. Lydia Mizighi.

Hon. John Waluke.

Member for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

Hon. Mwashako.

Hon. Lilian Gogo.

Hon. Gitonga.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Three minutes only!

Thank you very much, Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Hon. Bisau Kakai.

Order, Hon. Members. I hope we will pick up from the points raised on the Motion and have Parliament very constructively resolve the tragedy that befell our students and a teacher. On behalf of the Hon. Speaker, I join the House in condoling the families that lost loved ones in...

Let us have Hon. Kawanjiku. Give him the microphone.

The Member for Mombasa County, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Thank you very much. Hon. Mathenge, Parliament, under Article 95, resolves issues of concern to the people. What are we resolving when a Motion says: “…this House urges”? I am raising this to all Hon. Members. I thought we should begin crafting these Motions in a way that will make...

What is out of order, Hon. Rindikiri?

Hon. Farah Maalim, were you still contributing, or you are done?

The procedures of the House do not allow a Member to stand on a point of order to re-open debate for a Member who has concluded. That is what you are doing with Hon. Rindikiri. You will have 30 seconds to conclude because other Members want to contribute too.

Hon. Farah Maalim and Hon. Rindikiri can persuade themselves on those issues beyond this Motion. Hon. Johana Kipyegon, Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Member for Luanda, Hon. Dick Maungu.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member of Parliament for Buuri.

We do not make adverse comments about entities or persons who cannot defend themselves on the Floor of the House, unless there is a substantive Motion thereon.

Hon. Rindikiri, the worst thing that you can ever do is to contradict the Speaker. Once you are ordered to take a particular line for the good order of the House, just keep to that so that we proceed with the debate substantively.

Member of Parliament for Kitutu Masaba, Hon. Clive Gisairo.

Member of Parliament for Migori County, please, approach and enter the House in the manner we do under the Standing Orders. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) Thank you. You may proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Gisairo. Hon Members, allow me to recognise the presence of pupils from St Benard Primary School, Kajiado East, Kajiado County, and students from Kasue Secondary School, Kibwezi East, Makueni County. Students and pupils, you are welcome to the National Assembly to learn. I do not know whether...

Hon. Irene, I know you, except that following the determination by the Supreme Court, gender of people is no longer known. So, I do not know when Hon. Tim Wanyonyi confirmed he does not belong to the gender you imagine. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, proceed.

Is the Member for Kitui West, Hon. Edith Nyenze, in the House? If she is in, she should proceed immediately. Give her the microphone.

Thank you very much. Next is the Member for Kericho County, Hon. Beatrice Kemei.

Hon. Members, I am informed that we have the following Members from Kakamega County Assembly in the Speaker’s Gallery: (Applause)

Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Phylis Bartoo, Member for Moiben.

Thank you very much. Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member.

Oh! Prostitution. Okay.

Member for Igembe North.

Thank you very much, Hon. Members. Fifty-five minutes remains before debate on this Motion concludes. I am grateful that there is a lot of interest on the Motion. I saw Hon. Dan Wanyama, the Chairman in charge of sports. I do not know why he stepped out. We will have...