George Peter Opondo Kaluma

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Kipipiri, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Soy. Hon. Members, I have 10 requests against 25 minutes. Therefore, it will be very good if we could compress whatever we are saying to accommodate more Members. Proceed!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for Kangema, Hon. Peter Kihungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have the Member of Parliament for Chesumei, Hon. Paul Biego.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, had you spoken?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Had you contributed to the Motion? (Hon. Gideon Mulyungi spoke off-record) Pardon? Oh, you are the Mover? You would have been the next. Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Naomi Waqo. You will have five minutes to conclude your debate next time the Motion will be listed by the House Business Committee for consideration. I regret that Hon. Augustine Mwafrika, Member for Roysambu, did not get a chance to contribute. Hon....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker, I sit in the Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs which vetted the nominee. I made it clear that I was not just impressed by his knowledge of the matters falling under the charge of the National Police...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. Is the Leader of the Majority Party in the House? We will have Hon. Silvanus Osoro on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon Members, Hon. Silvanus Osoro is laying Papers on behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party. Chair, stay within and let the Leader of the Majority Party, through his delegate, lay the Paper. For this purpose, Hon. Osoro please proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Majority Whip. The Leader of the Majority Party has just stepped in. I would like to assure you that the Majority Whip has ably spoken on your behalf. Give the Leader of the Majority Party the microphone to say a word.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. I hope the Committee Chairpersons, both Departmental and Select Committees, have taken note. The Leader of the Majority Party ran in for a reason. Give the microphone to Commissioner Patrick Makau.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Patrick Makau. Hon Members, I ought to have formally indicated for the HANSARD that I interrupted the debate which was ongoing so that those Papers, due to their critical nature, are laid. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, it has also been brought to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Wanjiku, that is a very important point that you are making. Luckily, the Leader of the Majority Party of the House – not of the 27th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)majority side – and the Majority...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. Hon. Nimrod Mbai, Member for Kitui East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, Member for Mwingi Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Beatrice Elachi, for those informative contributions. The Whip of the Majority Party, and Member for South Mugirango, Hon. Silvanus Osoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I add Hon. Silvanus Osoro three minutes and he will be followed by Hon. Irene Mayaka and the others who have requested to speak in that order like Hon. Muthoni who has been waiting to speak. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member of Parliament.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Irene Mayaka. I cannot see Hon. Dorothy Ikiara. Give Hon. Dorothy Ikiara the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order! Who is this Member crossing the Floor to talk to Hon. Millie and is pulled by Hon. Osoro? (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Could the Member do what we do in the House in terms of crossing the aisles? Just go...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Hon. Mulyungi, where did you come from to this side? We cannot give our new Members habits other than those prescribed in the Standing Orders. It is up to the other end. You do not cross as you go. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I want to interrupt debate for a short while to allow the Leader of the Majority Party lay a Paper. Hon. Millie, as a former Member of the Pan African Parliament, prepare to make your contributions. The Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Millie Odhiambo. 27th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Millie. Hon. Kamande Mwafrika.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mwafrika, do you need any information from the Whip of the Majority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) It is not a point of order. For a point of information, if you do not need the information, it cannot be given. So, the question again is: Do you need information from the Whip of the Majority Party or not?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Kisumu East, Hon. Shakeel Shabbir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Shabbir Hon. Shakeel Shabbir (Kisumu East, Independent) : Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Standing Orders do not allow you to mention a person who cannot defend himself before this House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover should be called upon to reply? Hon. Members Yes. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. For good reasons, the Question on the Motion will be put when the House sits next and when the matter will be scheduled by the House Business Committee. I am very pleased with the debates made. I wish we could...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Let us have Hon. Elsie Muhanda, the Member for Kakamega County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Gitonga Murugara, Member for Tharaka Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. You know what your Committee should be doing around those issues. Hon. Member for Samburu West, Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Lesuuda. Hon. Johana Ng’eno, Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal, Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education in the House? Has the Ministry of Health reported to you what killed the girls of Mukumu Girls High School? Please, make your contribution as you respond to that question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I would have added you a minute or two if you had requested, as the Chairperson for the Departmental Committee on Education. We thank you for your contribution because you have concluded. Where is Hon. John Kaguchia, Member of Parliament for Mukurweini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kaguchia, the Temporary Speaker only intervenes when it is a matter of national importance - like when I was asking questions to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education to know whether he has information about what killed our students. It was...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You will be given 30 more seconds. 18th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Fatuma Jehow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Fatuma Jehow. Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County, Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ng’elechei, were you talking about private schools or public schools?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) That is the union in charge of post primary teachers. Remember that in the tragedy we are talking about, a teacher also died. Were you talking about private schools or public schools?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) His point is that for public schools, the numbers are not about the teachers seeking them but because of the implementation of that policy. So, kindly clarify.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Next is Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member of Parliament for Emuhaya Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Next is Hon. Martin Owino, Member for Ndhiwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Martin Owino Peters. Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Member of Parliament for Kericho County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member of Parliament for Dagoreti North. The chance will pass. Hon. (Dr.) Naomi Waqo, Member of Parliament for Marsabit County and the Deputy Majority Leader.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Samburu East, Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, if you can, please, use less than three minutes. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Taita Taveta, Hon. Lydia Mizighi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Waluke.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka. 18th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mwashako.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Lilian Gogo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gitonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Three minutes only!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Hon. Bisau Kakai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members. I hope we will pick up from the points raised on the Motion and have Parliament very constructively resolve the tragedy that befell our students and a teacher. On behalf of the Hon. Speaker, I join the House in condoling the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Kawanjiku. Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Mombasa County, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Mathenge, Parliament, under Article 95, resolves issues of concern to the people. What are we resolving when a Motion says: “…this House urges”? I am raising this to all Hon. Members. I thought we should begin crafting these Motions...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order, Hon. Rindikiri?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Farah Maalim, were you still contributing, or you are done?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The procedures of the House do not allow a Member to stand on a point of order to re-open debate for a Member who has concluded. That is what you are doing with Hon. Rindikiri. You will have 30 seconds to conclude because other...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Farah Maalim and Hon. Rindikiri can persuade themselves on those issues beyond this Motion. Hon. Johana Kipyegon, Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Luanda, Hon. Dick Maungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member of Parliament for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) We do not make adverse comments about entities or persons who cannot defend themselves on the Floor of the House, unless there is a substantive Motion thereon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Rindikiri, the worst thing that you can ever do is to contradict the Speaker. Once you are ordered to take a particular line for the good order of the House, just keep to that so that we proceed with the debate substantively.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for Kitutu Masaba, Hon. Clive Gisairo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for Migori County, please, approach and enter the House in the manner we do under the Standing Orders. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. You may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Gisairo. Hon Members, allow me to recognise the presence of pupils from St Benard Primary School, Kajiado East, Kajiado County, and students from Kasue Secondary School, Kibwezi East, Makueni County. Students and pupils, you are welcome to the National Assembly to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Irene, I know you, except that following the determination by the Supreme Court, gender of people is no longer known. So, I do not know when Hon. Tim Wanyonyi confirmed he does not belong to the gender you imagine. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is the Member for Kitui West, Hon. Edith Nyenze, in the House? If she is in, she should proceed immediately. Give her the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Next is the Member for Kericho County, Hon. Beatrice Kemei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, I am informed that we have the following Members from Kakamega County Assembly in the Speaker’s Gallery: (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Phylis Bartoo, Member for Moiben.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Igembe North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Members. Fifty-five minutes remains before debate on this Motion concludes. I am grateful that there is a lot of interest on the Motion. I saw Hon. Dan Wanyama, the Chairman in charge of sports. I do not know why...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have the Chairperson of the Committee of the whole House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Karemba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You do not want to contribute. An Hon. Member We are done. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You are done. Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? Hon. Members Yes. (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Any contributions? Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Hon. Eric Kahugu raised his hand) The Member seated next to the Chairperson, why are you raising your hand? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Without further mention or ado, and it being the mood of the House that we put the Question, I have confirmed that we have the requisite quorum in the House for purposes of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Hon. Millie Grace Odhiambo Mabona, Senior Counsel, do you want to contribute to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Owen Baya, you are being smart. You are contradicting the Speaker while pretending to be addressing Hon. Millie Odhiambo. You should remember that it is the Speaker who recognised Hon. Millie Odhiambo as senior counsel for the experiences particularly on matters children, family...

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo. You are always very informative on matters that we overlook as Parliament. Hon. (Dr) Wilberfoce Oundo, Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Who is the Member greeting Hon. Kosgei? The Member whose necktie looks like the top worn by Hon. Millie Grace. Who is the Member? I saw you talking to Hon. Millie Grace. I know the Constitution has a special place Hon. Jared Okello, for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jared Okello you are making very good contributions, but did I ask you to contribute? You were to apologise, which was a discretion on your part. If you comply, the Standing Orders do not require that you verbalise your apology. Is it within...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) We allow Hon. Okuome Adipo, who was the next one in line to contribute. Hon. Jared Okello I am being told that you had contributed to this Motion, you need to confirm because the Standing Orders may restrict my allowing you to contribute, which...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Andrew Okuome. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei, nominated Member of Parliament.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Dr. Kosgei, I hope that you did not need more time because it is always very refreshing to listen to you on matters of morals and Africa. I hope that you did not curtail your time because time was up. You did not need...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Kahangara. Hon. Rozaah Buyu, do you want to contribute to this Motion? The Member of Parliament for Kisumu West is recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Rozah Buyu, for that contribution and good point. I hope those who are participating will note those concerns. Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara, do you want to contribute to this? Please do. You are recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Kiragu, Member for Limuru. 21st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 36

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Kiragu. Hon. (Dr,) Naomi Waqo, do you want to have a bite at this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. The Motion is for noting, not supporting or opposing. I have seen Hon. Muriu Mungai. Sorry, Hon. Muriu Wakili not Mungai. The late Nani Mungai is your former partner, under whose tutelage and yourself, I learnt law. I hope you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Mover. 21st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, you know the Hon. Temporary Speaker’s pursuits. You and your people from the Pemba Community know that we never quite fell out of the chair.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) For the convenience of the House and for good reasons, putting of the Question relating to this Motion will be deferred to next time it will be scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order? Give Hon. Yussuf the microphone. 21st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is it your observation that the House appears not to have quorum? Ring the Quorum Bell so that we confirm. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The bell only rung for six minutes. It should be rung for four more minutes in line with our...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Ibrahim Saney, Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. John Waluke, this is an approval debate where some people are proposed for appointment, but one is rejected. So, do not tell us much about climate change and other issues. Talk to the qualifications of these people or otherwise...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) MP for Mbeere North, have you looked at Standing Order 95? It says that “…and, unless the Speaker is of the opinion that such Motion is an abuse of the proceedings of the House, or an infringement of the rights of Members, the question...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gichimu Githinji, the Member of Parliament for Gichugu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Fatuma Masito, Member for Kwale County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Pauline Lenguris, do you want to speak to this? You have already spoken. Hon. Ruku GK and Charles Kamuren have also 15th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 62 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)spoken. Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Parliament for Dagoretti North,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Dekow Mohamed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Which Member is on a point of order? Is that Hon. Emathe?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mwalyo, do you want to be informed? (Hon. Joseph Emathe spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next chance goes to Hon. Harrison Kombe, Member of Parliament for Magarini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Who is this Member walking out? Hon. Jehow, you are walking as a true nomad. You have walked from one side to Hon. Gikaria, then back to Hon. Harrison Kombe. Please, take one side when you walk out. Hon. Kahindi Katana, Member of Parliament...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for Mbeere North. 15th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 65

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Paul that is a matter that, without evidence, would discredit the House. So, can you substantiate, if possible, confirming which Cabinet Secretary has ever been approved without meriting their position? Hon. Paul Kahindi, do you need information from Hon. Ruweida?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Please proceed, Hon. Ruweida.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ruweida, your statement is also as general as that of Hon. Paul Kahindi. You are not giving us specifics. Remember I cautioned that Members should avoid making statements which put the House into disrepute or discredit the House. When you say that some...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ruweida, because you did not provide specifics, the statement you made that several Cabinet Secretaries have been approved without being qualified is ordered to be expunged from the records of Parliament. Otherwise, proceed to make your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kamuren, what is out of order? Do not entrap your colleagues and debate, or to have a second bite at the cherry. That is if you have debated. It will not be fair.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ruweida.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mishi, under the Standing Orders, when it reaches the time for the Mover to reply, it must revert to the Mover. It is only the Mover who can donate time. The Mover has confirmed he will donate time to you. So, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana. Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ruweida, I hope you are listening to the Chair of the Committee on that part because you were very emotional. Chair, you know Hon. Ruweida is the only Bajuni in Parliament. So, you can easily understand her emotions. But Hon. Ruweida, listen to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. For good reasons, I am not going to put the Question. The Question on the Motion will be put when Parliament next sits, possibly tomorrow or such time as the House Business Committee will schedule. (Putting of the Question deferred)...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Speaker is looking at the Government side. I am still a Member of the Minority side. (Laughter)

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for the opportunity. I would like to thank the Committee on Public Debt and Privatization for the good work they are already doing. I think this is the second Report being tabled by this Committee in barely...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) The point I was making is that we budget and take a lot of debts, not for meaningful development programsme, but to consume and for corruption purposes. It is from the beginning of budgeting that we create that range. When Hon. Ichung’wah says...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I hope my time will be restored. The other way we waste public funds and which makes us go for debts is how we jumble up Government sectors. For instance, this Government has established something called Nairobi River Commission. We...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, the practice and tradition in this House is that the person who is speaking completes then you can rest it. According to Standing Order 95, it is within the discretion of the Speaker to weigh whether there is still a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. It is now time from the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gichimu, your minutes are already running out. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Martin Owino.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mover, who else did you donate your time to?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Next is Hon. Anthony Oluoch, the Member for Mathare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Mover. For the convenience of the House, the Question to this Motion will be put next time the House sits. The next Order is to be moved by the Chair of the Committee on Delegated Legislation, Hon. Samwel Chepkonga. REPORT ON DRAFT...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Take all your time because this is a very important debate. In fact, Hon. Oluoch was trying to intervene to say that this is a critical matter that should be debated until late in the evening. He wanted you to move this important Motion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) It is always good to listen to you, Hon. Samwel Chepkonga, Senior Counsel. Hon. Gichimu is the Member for Gichugu, the Constituency which was formally led by the Deputy Leader of Azimio. We shall proceed. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Gichimu. (Question proposed) Hon. Fatuma Jehow, the Member of Parliament for Wajir County. She is not in the House. Hon. Patrick Makau, the Member of Parliament for Mavoko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Patrick Makau, you are making your contributions as the Member of Parliament for Mavoko. Do not worry about those other big responsibilities the House has on your back. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is Hon. Kombe, the Member of Parliament for Magarini seeking to speak to this Motion? (Hon. Harrison Kombe spoke off record) Not today. Hon. Fatuma, the Member of Parliament for Migori County? Is she seeking to speak now or tomorrow? Certainly not today. Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, the Member of Parliament for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) It is full-time. So, the Committee and other committees of Parliament know what additional recommendations to make. Hon. Members, I extended time because I did not want to interrupt Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. Order! ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time...