Kaluma George Peter Opondo

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seldom stop the Leader of the Majority Party, but schools have been mentioned, and one of them is my school, which I have fought hard to establish. Ogande Mixed Secondary School...

Thank you, Hon. Kiarie. Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, Member for Mbeere North.

Thank you, Hon. Geoffrey Ruku. Hon. John Mutunga, Member for Tigania. Before you proceed, let me acknowledge the presence within the House of Parliament of pupils and teachers from Iruma Primary School from Maara Constituency in Tharaka Nithi County. You are welcome to the House of Parliament for your studies....

How many more minutes do you need to conclude?

Thank you, Hon. John Mutunga. Do we have Hon. Julius Melly, the Member for Tinderet? He is not in the House. Hon. Joseph Oyula, the Member for Butula, is a finance mind. He must speak. Hon. John Bwire will follow thereafter. Proceed, Hon. Oyula.

Thank you very much, Hon. Oyula. Let us have Hon. John Bwire, the Member for Taita Taveta.

Order, Hon. John Bwire. I thought we were debating this Motion up to 7.00 p.m. I thought we would conclude it today. I am told that the substantive Speaker directed earlier on that we have an Adjournment Motion from 6.00

In fact, I can see that the Chair of the Committee is very anxious to respond to debate but there is already a directive by the substantive Speaker, which we cannot review. In fact, that is what the Lead Clerk-at-the-Table came to tell me. I understand, Hon. Murugara. I only...

Thank you, Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, for this timely Motion. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, the Member for Seme, do you want to speak to this Motion?

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal. Hon. Julius Melly, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education.

Kindly, add him another two minutes. This is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. How many more minutes do you need to finish?

Thank you, Hon. Julius Melly. Next is Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona, the Member for Suba North.

Tell me. My eldest brother passed on. Now, for my immediate nephew, how do you consider his level of need to a son of some peasant farmer who is over 80 years or over 60 years old not earning a regular income? How, in terms of your information, would their...

Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo, the Member representing the people of Keiyo South Constituency, you are recognised.

Hon. Melly Julius, what is out of order?

Hon. Kimaiyo, do you want to be informed? He can only do so, if you want the information.

Hon. Julius Melly, you were allowed by Hon. Kimaiyo to inform him but now you have introduced a phrase called “means testing.” Can you unpack it? (Hon Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record) In that context, how do you establish those categories? You said Ksh23,000 to what? How do you...

Just a minute. Remember Hon. Melly was just giving information. What of the child of my late brother as Hon. Kaluma? Remember, you are going to categorise him as an orphan, which you confirm entitles him to more. You get what I am talking about? What of the child of...

Hon. Millie, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research stood to inform Hon. Kimaiyo. You cannot stand on a point of order to inform Hon. Melly, who was also on a point of information to inform Hon. Kimaiyo. Proceed Hon. Kimaiyo. You have been added some time...

Hon. Adipo Okuome, the Member for Karachuonyo.

Thank you Member for Karachuonyo. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. John Bwire, Member for Taveta.

Hon. (Dr) Lillian Gogo, you have two minutes.

Thank you. Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, you are doing very well in your first term by bringing such Motions. Let me thank you on behalf of the House. Hon. Julius Melly, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research, Parliament does not debate in vain. What action is the...

I can assure you that this matter is very important. We adjourned the business of Parliament to discuss it. It is a matter that the Office of the Speaker will gladly support, if you request that the meeting be held on Tuesday. I pray that you do so.

Hon. Members, the time being 7.06

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. Hon. Adan Haji, Member for Mandera west.

Thank you very much, Hon. Adan Haji, Member for Mandera West. Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo. I know your Ph.D. area is food science.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo. Member for Tetu, Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi.

Thank you, Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi. Let us have Hon. Zamzam Mohammed. Utaongea kwa Kiswahili.

Mjumbe wa Jimbo la Kericho, Mhe Beatrice Kemei. Mhe. Zamzam wa Jimbo la Mombasa akianza kuongea, Kiswahili changu hupotea.

Asante sana. Member for Kisauni, Ndugu Rashid Bedzimba.

Hon. Members, I urge that we look at the objects of the Bill as stated therein as we debate it. This Bill is not about food or feed safety, but it is meant to provide a coordinating mechanism around agencies dealing with those functions by creating the proposed Office of...

Asante ndugu Mhe. Bedzimba.

Hon. Timothy Toroitich, the Member for Marakwet West.

Hon. Joshua Kimilu, I confirm your concern. However, this is a Bill which is not limited in time. It will continue until tomorrow if scheduled. Unless Members want to constrict their debates, let Members have their time to deliberate on the issues being raised. Proceed, Hon. Toroitich.

Thank you. I am informed that Hon. Andrew Okuome wants to address the House on this matter for five minutes. Hon. Andrew Okuome.

Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Your information has been rejected. Proceed,

Leader of the Majority Party, thank you very much. We end this debate at that point. For the convenience of the House, the Question will be put when the people who prepare the House business next list this matter in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The time being 7.04 p.m., the...

Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Mutunga, do you need more time? If not, well and good. Hon. Dr Lillian Gogo, proceed.

Thank you very much, Dr Lilian Gogo. Do we have Hon. Titus Lotee, Member of Parliament for Kacheliba?

Hon. Lotee, the substantive Speaker of the House, the Rt. Hon. Moses Wetang’ula, had given direction on the intervention by the Senate on this Fund. I hope when it comes up, you will speak as eloquently, so that the Fund can reach the targeted regions of the country which have...

Thank you, Hon. Sigei. You have spoken from experience. As the Hon. Cannon (Dr) Naomi Waqo prepares, we will have Hon. Bady, the Member of Parliament for Jomvu.

Asante sana. Is Hon. Naomi Waqo ready? We recognise you, Mheshimiwa.

Thank you, Hon. Naomi Waqo. I did not know we have something called the Civil Servant Housing Scheme Fund. I am hearing it from the Report and yourself. How I wish the current Government could exploit your advice now that we have the Housing Levy. Could we have Hon. Charles...

Hon. Ngusya, if we were to go that direction, would the Equilisation Fund still have its meaning under the Constitution? My worry is, even parts of Homa Bay Town Constituency would claim it, and that is the hurdle we have been facing with its implementation. Contrary to the thinking of...

Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei, Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County.

It is time for our brothers and sisters who came in this term to prosper. We concluded the one by Hon. Wamboka the other day and Hon. Fatuma also appears to be doing very well. I recognise Hon. Mwafrika Augustine Kamande, the Member of Parliament for Roysambu as Hon. Eve...

Thank you, Hon. Mwafrika. Those submissions could only be made by you. Now, let us have Hon. (Dr) Eve Obara, the Member for Kabondo Kasipul.

Hon. Eve Obara is saying that the President has spoken on the fight against corruption. Be warned. The warning shot has been fired. Those who do not want to go to prison should do the right thing. Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member of Parliament under the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM)...

There being no further requests for Members to speak to this Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairperson. For the convenience of the House, the putting of the Question to this Motion shall be pended to the next sitting of the House on Tuesday. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. Section 974 of the Company’s Act requires all foreign companies to be registered before they can do business in the country. There is very heavy punishment because it makes it a criminal offence for any foreign company to act before registration. Was this company registered...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Speaker, I am concerned that the cabinet secretaries are not treating this matter with the seriousness it deserves. Instead of getting responses as representatives of the people, we are getting lectures on the things...

Hon. Speaker, you partly responded to my matter of concern. We could be discussing matters of the nation in the context of our regional intervention, which may not be prudent. It may call for in-camera proceedings if necessary. I request an intervention because the matters being raised by Hon. Ruku...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, our former Leader of the Majority Party is doing very well, and I am quiet because I am waiting for the last Statement that he will make so that I can commend him for the excellent work he is doing. I cried when he left Parliament, and...

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Dr. Owen Baya, and Member for Kilifi North Constituency, please proceed and second.

Thank you, Hon. Owen Baya. (Question proposed) There are too many requests. I am searching for Hon. Peter Kihungi, the Member for Kangema. You are recognised.

Thank you, Hon Peter Kihungi. Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Thank you very much. I do not see any further requests from Members on this Bill. I take this opportunity to congratulate Hon. Didmus Barasa because this Amendment Bill looks very straightforward and very urgent for the nation. There being no further interest, I call upon the Mover, Hon. Didmus...

Hon. Members, for some good reason, the Question on the Bill will be put the next time the Assembly will sit following the direction of the House Business Committee, possibly tomorrow. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) BILL Mover, Hon. Abdul Dawood. Deputy...

(Bill deferred)Thank you. The matter at Order No.11 is deferred to the next time it will be scheduled for consideration by the House. Next Order. THE NATIONAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Mover, Hon David Gikaria.

(Bill deferred)Hon. David Gikaria indicated that he was engaged in some national duty outside the House. I, therefore, understand. The matter appearing as Order No.12 is accordingly stepped down to the next time it will be scheduled for consideration by the House. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL...

(Motion deferred)The matter for consideration under Order No.14 is accordingly stepped down for consideration the next time it will be in the Order Paper. Next Order. APPROVAL OF REPORT ON THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2023 Mover, the Chairperson, Committee on Delegated Legislation. This must be Hon. Samwel Chepkonga.

(Motion deferred)For the convenience of the House, the matter appearing under the Order No.15 is the one which Hon. Owen Baya has made a request for. It will be stepped down for consideration by the House on future date. Do we have the Movers for the matters appearing under Order...

Order, Hon. Owen. Call out the next Order, lead Clerk-at-the-Table. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 146TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU AND RELATED MEETINGS IN THE KINGDOM OF BAHRAIN Mover. Again, Hon. Owen Baya.

(Motion deferred)The matter under Order No.16 is accordingly stepped down. Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 4TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EAPA-FSN IN KIGALI, RWANDA Mover of the Motion. Again, Hon. Owen Baya.

(Motion deferred)Pursuant to that request, the Motion appearing under Order No.17 is stepped down to the next time it will be scheduled for consideration. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE INSPECTION OF VARIOUS ONE-STOP BORDER POSTS IN THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR OF EAC REGION Do we have the Mover to...

(Motion deferred)For the convenience of the House, and following that request, the matter appearing under Order No.18 in the Order Paper of this afternoon is stepped down to the next time it will be enlisted for consideration by the House. Next Order. THE FOOD AND FEED SAFETY CONTROL COORDINATION BILL...

(Bill deferred)The Leader of the Majority Party has engagement outside the House. As the Mover of this particular Bill, he is indulged by the House. The matter appearing under Order 19 will accordingly be rescheduled for consideration the next time it will be in the Order Paper. Next Order. THE...

(Bill deferred)Indulgence of the House is granted. The matter appearing under Order No.20 will be stood down to the next time it will be enlisted for consideration by the House. Next Order. THE SUGAR BILL Do we have the Mover for this one?

(Bill deferred)It has been a very busy afternoon for Members engaging and those serving Kenyans in the Executive. I understand when a Member stepped down to engage on other matters of concern to the people. The matter appearing under Order No.21 will, therefore, be stood down to the next time...

Next is Hon. Dr James Nyikal, but before he gets the microphone, I would like to recognise students of Ansam Pioneer Primary School from Bomet East Constituency, Bomet County; Holy Rosary Girls Ortum High School from Pokot South Constituency, West Pokot County; and Njuri High School from Chuka/Igamang’ombe Constituency, Tharaka...

There is no problem. Are they behind me?

After I recognise them, you will speak. I know that is your school, and the girls want to see you seated where they will sit in future. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Hon. Robert Mbui.

In fact, it was a point of information and correction. Hon. Mbui, proceed. Do not contradict your counterpart.

Thank you, Hon. Robert Mbui. Before I call the next speaker, let me recognise and welcome the following institutions to Parliament: St. Mary’s Tabaka Girls Primary School from South Mugirango Constituency in Kisii County; the Pilgrims Progressive School from Mavoko Constituency in Machakos County; and Njuri High School from Chuka/Igambang’ombe...

Thank you very much, Hon. Dorice Donya. I know, given a chance, you would have spoken the entire afternoon. It is because of your excitement on matters education. The students are welcome to the House of Parliament, particularly the National Assembly. Hon. Dido Raso.

Thank you Hon. Dido Raso. Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

Before we proceed with the Motion, let me recognise the following institutions both in the Speaker’s and Public Galleries. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have St. Joseph High School Kitale, from Saboti Constituency, Trans Nzoia County. In the Public Gallery, we have Menengai Primary School from Nakuru East Constituency in...

Thank you very much. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi will not forgive me if he never welcomed the students to the House on behalf of the male gender.

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I know all the youthful Members of Parliament want to speak but we have a way of doing things in Parliament. I request that we go back to the main business on the Floor. Hon. Samuel Atandi, you may proceed.

Hon. Owen Baya, that was a point of information forcibly imposed on Hon. Atandi. Hon. Atandi, you may proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Atandi. Let us have Hon. Cecilia Ngitit, and then Hon. Mary Emaase in that order.

Hon. Cecilia Ngitit is always on point. Hon. Mary Emaase.

Hon. John Waluke, Member for Sirisia.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Member for Busia County.

Thank you, Hon. Catherine Omanyo. Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chemusei Constituency. Did I say Chemusei or Chesumei?

Thank you very much, Hon. Biego. Hon. Zamzam Chimba, Member for Mombasa County.

Asante sana kwa kuongea Kiswahili murwa. Mhe. Marwa Kitayama. Basi, Mhe. (Prof.) Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Moiben, ninatumaini wewe pia utaongea kwa hiyo lugha ili wanafunzi wakuelewe.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, you are out of order. Hon. Owen, which servers are you talking about being opened?

The server that Hon. Millie Odhiambo is talking about. (Laughter)

Hon. Members, before I give the next speaker who is Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo, the Member of Parliament for Marsabit, let me recognise pupils from the following institutions: Loboen Primary School, Keiyo South Constituency in Elgeyo Marakwet County and Seleng’ei Girls Boarding Primary School, Narok North Constituency in Narok County....

Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member.

What is out of order?

No. Do not respond. You need not have done that. Hon. Mayaka, substantiate or withdraw.

Order, Hon. Owen. Hon. Irene, what substantiation requires of you is to give us the names of the members of the community you are talking about and confirmation of the community they belong to. If that is absent, I will require you to withdraw that part of your statement.

I know the Standing Orders allow presentation of such information. Is it to the next date? However, Hon. Irene Mayaka, is this something that should actually take our substantive time tomorrow?

Hon. Irene Mayaka, in line with our Standing Orders, when Parliament sits tomorrow, you will be substantiating the statement that critical leaders in the energy sector come from one community.

Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Migori County, followed by Hon. Beatrice Adagala in that order. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off record)

Hon. Fatuma, your apology for being out of the House on other businesses when the Report you were to lay was ordered to proceed is granted by the House and duly recorded. You may proceed to contribute to this one.

Hon. Beatrice Adagala.

I want to discourage points of order because you are eating into time of colleagues. Time is fast running out against the interest I still see from the Members here. So, unless it is critical, like Parliament is going to burn, Hon. Kimilu, I would request you to abandon it....

In terms of procedures of the House, that can only be moved at the beginning of the Motion. Out of your courtesy for one another, I would request Members to consolidate even within three minutes. Let us allow Members who have been waiting to also speak. Proceed Hon. Beatrice Adagala.

Hon. Adagala, you are protected.

What is the relationship between Hon. Beatrice Adagala and Hon. Millie Odhiambo? Hon. Millie Odhiambo, two people cannot speak at the same time here. Hon. Adagala will speak with your silence.

Let us have Hon. Joshua Kimilu and Hon. Millie Odhiambo in that order. I request that you contribute for three minutes, so that we can proceed to the next business.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Hon. Fatuma Masito and Dr Eve Obara, contribute for two minutes each.

Asante, Hon. Fatuma Masito. Hon. (Dr) Eve Obara.

Hon. Eve Obara, tomorrow, you will have four minutes when this particular Motion will be enlisted on the Order Paper. Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Wamboka, Members have great interest in your Motion. We request the House Business Committee (HBC) to schedule it for conclusion tomorrow and hopefully, you will be...

Member of Parliament for Elgeyo Marakwet County.

Member of Parliament for West Pokot County.

Member for West Pokot, your time is running out. Hon. Rael Kasiwai (West Pokot County, KUP) : Even as those Members complain, they are not mentioning the people who have been killed by the Marakwets or Turkanas. Three weeks ago, five ladies were killed at a place called Lami Nyeusi....

Hon. Julius Melly, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research.

Thank you. Next is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. (Dr) Christine Ombaka. Please, proceed.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Ombaka. Hon. Beatrice Adagala, proceed.

Hon. Mary Emaase, Member for Teso South.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

Hon. Beatrice, you are not favoured. You are on top of the list. Because this issue has kept everybody in the House, I am going by the list. This is not about gender insensitivity. The people who will speak after you will be men for quite some time. Proceed because...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Hon. John Mutunga.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Eve Obara.

Thank you very much. Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, you are next.

Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Thank you very much. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Thank you, Hon. Waqo. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, you are next.

Hon. Jematiah Sergon has been waiting for long. Please proceed.

Wa mwisho atakuwa ndugu, Mhe. Harrison Kombe.

Mhe. Dekow, nakupa dakika moja tu kwa sababu tumepitisha muda wetu wa kawaida.

Hon. Members, even our systems recognise that we have gone beyond the stipulated time. This was an Adjournment Motion on a matter of national importance and the sobriety and seriousness with which we have discussed it allowed us to go beyond the stipulated time. I wish these kinds of deliberations...

Never refer to the presiding Speaker as “Madam” again. You know the presiding Speaker is against anything that confuses gender. I am not a member of the LGBTQIA community. I am a biological adult Kenyan male. (Laughter)

Hon. Toroitich, Parliament normally benefits from your wisdom. I know you are anxious to rest. You are a very experienced lawyer. If the national Government makes laws cutting across all counties, then what will county assemblies do? Secondly, as you conclude, how can you deal with areas where title deeds...

Thank you, Hon. Toroitich. I hope the committee has listened to you on those aspects. As I have always said, it is a pleasure listening to you. Next is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, Member for Kwanza and lay cardinal of the Catholic Parish, Parliament Branch.

Thank you, Hon. Wanyonyi. Next is Hon. Mwenje. Has he left? Hon. Amos Mwago, do you want to speak to this?

Hon. Mwago, before you sit, do you have the Bill? Amos Maina (Starehe, JP) : I had read it. Then I am grateful for your contribution. Is Hon. Phylis Bartoo in the House? She has stepped out. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo, the Member for Marsabit.

Thank you, Hon. Canon Naomi Waqo. Let us have Hon. Josses Lelmengit.

Thank you, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. I recognise Hon. Paul Nzengu.

I need a Member of the Committee to speak, so that they can elaborate on some issues. Hon. Kahindi Paul Katana, I imagine you sit in the Committee.

You have all the time to contribute and add to the elaborate presentations already made by the Chairperson to help Members understand this law in better detail.

Just a minute, Hon. Kahindi. In ensuring that there is no corruption by valuers, what is the Committee recommending in their report, in terms of the provisions that should be in the Bill? I am asking this question because of the last remark by the President about the NLC. Are...

Thank you very much. Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei. He has stepped out briefly to attend to a national issue. Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop.

(Technical hitch)Thank you, Hon. Kirwa. Hon. Stephen Mogaka, Member for West Mugirango. It is true, Hon. Mogaka. I was questioning where your usual energy had disappeared to. I was struggling to hear.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka, what did you say we use in lieu of titles? What is that thing you said in law? I am only asking that question as a lawyer. You are saying that for areas which have not been titled people should be given what?

I am searching for Hon. Mark Mwenje.

Do not worry about time. I know Hon. Mawathe will be speaking next, followed by Hon. Nabulindo. Then, whether Parliament likes it or not, we will adjourn for reasons that you know. Look at Clause 16 of the Bill.

I should never do, but it says that county executive committees will establish payment system for rates. I want your view on this because you are saying that counties are collecting a lot of money and expecting a lot of money from the national Government too.

Over 18 billion or so is alleged to have been lost. Should respective county executive committees or the Kenya Revenue Authority develop this system? That is if we are expanding the tax base and we want this money accountably remitted to the national kitty.

(Technical hitch)One minute. Who is sabotaging Hon. Mwenje? Let him have the microphone.

Thank you very much, Hon. Mwenje. Hon. Julius Mawathe, you are recognised. Proceed.

Thank you Hon. Mawathe. Hon. Oscar Nabulindo.

I was asking that because one thing I love in this Bill is its definition of rate-able owner. It says that for you to be a rate-able owner, you must be a registered owner of the property. I remember when the Cabinet Secretary for Lands was here, very many Members...

Debate on the Bill will continue. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

Order, Hon. Members! Order! I request we discuss in slightly lower tones. The Committee is recommending a rejection and the points being made by the Chairman are critical for us to make a decision. So, those consulting should do so in low tones.

Give Hon. Fabian Muli the microphone.

Hon. Lillian Liyoi.

Hon. John Gitonga, Member for Manyatta.

Hon. Donya Dorice.

What is out of order, Hon. Chepkonga?

Leader of the Majority Party, what information would you want to give Hon. Donya Dorice?

Hon. Donya Dorice, you have been informed. Proceed.

Hon. Samuel Chepkong’a stood at his place and requested that the Mover be called to reply. I will only move under Standing Order 1 to allow only one person to contribute, and then I will put the Question. Hon. Samuel Atandi.

Yes, Hon. Chepkong’a.

We get you, Hon. Chepkong’a. Just sit down. Hon. Samuel Atandi, when did you leave Parliament to work in the offices of the appointing authority to know who they intend to appoint?

Hon. Atandi, you must be careful with the statements you make in Parliament. Which law provides that when number one is dropped, the process is not started afresh and number two on the list takes over?

Is there a law that you can quote?

Hon. Atandi, you have made your point. Make it easy for the House by withdrawing that part that is not supported by law and procedure.

Hon. Nyikal, you have raised a constitutional issue but you are not telling us whether those provisions in the Constitution conferring rights to elderly persons are subject to restrictions or limitations under Article 24 of the Constitution. I assure you they are subject to limitation. One limitation is found in...

Next Order. Give the microphone to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining.