Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Thank you very much, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Who is seconding? Proceed,

Next is Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to comment on the Division of Revenue Bill, which will eventually become the Division of Revenue Act (DoRA) . From the outset, I support the Bill on the vertical sharing of revenue between the two levels...

Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, Member for Karachuonyo.

Hon. Andrew Okuome, it is always great to listen to you on financial matters. Thank you very much. Next is Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

There being no further interest in this Bill, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

What is out of order, Hon. Owen Baya?

Your request is acceded to. The question shall be put on the Day the House Business Committee will schedule. Next Order. (National Assembly Bill No.44 of 2023) Mover, Hon. Samwel Chepkonga,

The Chairperson of the JLAC, Hon. Murugara.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo. I have 10 minutes. Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute. I support the Bill. Since I came to Parliament in 2017, I always felt very uncomfortable when any form of dispute between the two Houses escalates beyond Parliament Square and the...

Are you forgetting that some people had been appointed to those positions before and the same were nullified? (An Hon. Member spoke off the record)

Hon. Naomi Waqo is on her feet on a point of order.

Hon Junet Mohammed, you cannot refer to people that way.

Hon. Sabina Chege, the Jubilee Party Whip in the National Assembly.

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to discuss the green document, the Bill, that we are discussing. I do not support it. I must appreciate the work that has been done by the Committee, but to a large...

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Mbeyu, you will have eight minutes when the matter is scheduled to be considered by the House in future. I am grateful, on behalf of the Speaker, for the interest shown. Hon. Members, you will have future debates on this matter. There is nothing we can...

Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei, Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County.

Order, Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei. I am informed the time has come for the Mover to reply. By the procedure of the House, that would mark the end of your contributions. Where is the Mover?

Hon. Makau, proceed.

Who is next?

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Mover, you now have under four minutes to reply.

Thank you very much, Chairperson of the Committee on National Cohesion and Equal Opportunities. For the convenience of the House, the question on this Motion will be put the next time it is scheduled for consideration by the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order! ADOPTION OF...

I just wanted to assure you that you still had 10 more minutes but I am grateful you have seconded. So, let me propose the Question. (Question proposed) Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Let us hear Hon. Beatrice Elachi, who will be followed by Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo.

Hon. (Dr.) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Gideon Mulungi.

Hon. Gideon Mulungi, Parliament will adjourn at 9.00 O'clock today. You have all the time – ten minutes to be precise. So, I have all the time. Thank you, for your generosity.I will start by congratulating the Committee for a job well done. The Chair of this Committee was my...

I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, you will have seven minutes when the matter is rescheduled for consideration in the future. Hon. Members, there being no quorum, the House stands adjourned until tomorrow Thursday, 14th March...

Hon. Peter Lochakapong’, the Member of Parliament for Sigor. He is not there. Hon. Oyula.

Thank you, Hon. Oyula. Let us have Hon. Farah Yakub, Member for Fafi. He will be followed by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe, on the instructions of the previous Hon. Temporary Speaker.

The gallant Member for Rangwe Constituency, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Members, we will now go back to the Statements on Legislative Proposals to amend the Constitution under Standing Order 114 (7A) . (Debate on the Bill adjourned) Remember it is: The Statements on Legislative Proposals to amend the Constitution. Directions had been given...

The matter that was being debated before, which most of you have a lot of interest in, will continue after this one. In terms of the Standing Orders, when a matter like this is stayed from 6.00 p.m., we go back to 6.00 p.m. In fact, I regret it because...

Hon. Otiende Amollo… Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have an interjection. You cannot raise an interjection after Hon. Otiende Amollo has concluded. Hon. Otiende Amollo, just for the benefit of the House, as a former member of the committee of experts which birthed this Constitution, what under this Constitution is meant...

Asked another way, something like the conduct of elections is the role of the Commission. Is the Secretary to the Commission, who should also be the CEO of a commission, be a member of the Commission?

What is out of order, Hon. Ruku? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As much as I agree with Hon. Senior Counsel to some extent, NADCO Report should not at any given time supersede the mandate of the Members of this House. We are mandated by law to ensure that we...

Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri? He is not in the House. Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, Member of Parliament for Mbeere North? He is also not in the House. Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose, Member of Parliament for Endebess, do you want to contribute to this? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to...

Hon. Edith Nyenze? She has stepped out. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, Member of Parliament for Seme, do want to contribute to this?

Next is the Member of Parliament for Kitui Rural, Hon. David Mboni.

Hon. Thuku Kwenya, Member of Parliament for Kinangop.

Hon. Thuku, I have recognized the fact that you are speaking to yourself. Let me take it that you have concluded your contribution. I will give you a minute to tie your comments well.

I will give you two minutes to conclude. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We must look at the trade-offs. If we borrow more foreign loans, we face huge foreign exchange rate risks. At the same time, if we borrow more locally, we may crowd out investors and the private sector...

I did not get you well, Member for Bomet County. Are you waiting to contribute on the next one? Let us have Hon. Stephen Mogaka. Before Hon. Stephen Mogaka contributes, Hon. Josses Lelmengit had made a request.

Member of Parliament for Karachuonyo Constituency. The best finance mind we have in the House. Proceed.

Hon. Edith Nyenze.

Mover.

Mover.

Next is Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo, the Member of Parliament for Funyula. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record) Have you made your contribution? (Hon. Ruku GK consulted loudly) Hon. Ruku, you will not be the Speaker, especially when I am in this seat. Have you contributed to this?

Thank you, Hon. Ruku. Next is Hon. Omondi Caroli.

Hon. Gonzi Rai.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu for sharing your deep expertise on matters finance and integrity. Hon. Liza Chelule, Member for Nakuru County.

Next Order. THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) (NO.2) BILL THE NATIONAL DISASTER RISK MANAGEMENT BILL THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL future consideration.(Bill deferred) Next Order. THE NATURAL RESOURCES (BENEFIT SHARING) BILL THE PETITIONS TO PARLIAMENT PROCEDURE) (AMENDMENT) BILL THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES BILL ADOPTION OF REPORT ON NON-COMPLIANT STATE CORPORATIONS

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to raise a concern about the manner in which the Leader of the Majority Party is abusing the idea of points of orders.

Hon. Makali Mulu. He has stepped out for other parliamentary business. Hon. Moses Injendi.

Hon. Zamzam Chimba, Member for Mombasa County.

The Deputy Leader of Majority Party, that is not your call to make; that is the call of the Judiciary.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD–K) : Well, let us not talk about religion here; let us talk about the prevention of terrorism. Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me the chance. I also take this opportunity to support the Committee. There is a saying that prevention...

Member for Jomvu, Hon. Twalib Bady Bady. Ahsante sana Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipatia fursa hii ili niweze kuchangia kama vile wenzangu walivyochangia. Kwanza, maneno ambayo nitatofautiana na rafiki yangu, Mhe. Tongoyo, ni yale maneno ambayo anasema: Kuwa mambo haya ya ugaidi yasiingizwe kwenye mambo ya kidini. Jambo hilo...

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya, I am on my feet. Hon. Bady, you will continue with your contributions without mentioning the Head of State of a friendly nation or mentioning that State without a substantive Motion. Ahsante, Mhe Spika wa Muda. However, I would like to...

Member for Mandera West, Hon. Adan Haji.

Hon. Justice Kemei. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to add my voice to the Regulations on terrorism. This is because terrorism and corruption are the two greatest challenges in this country, and we need to tackle them. Bringing on...

Let us have Hon. Kahindi Katana.

Hon. Dawood. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will be brief. I support this Motion on the Prevention of Terrorism. We should not antagonise people that because they are Muslims, they are terrorists. A terrorist does not have a religion, colour or creed. We need to put this aside, and...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Reports of the Procedure and House Rules Committee on its consideration of: Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the 63rd Session of the OACPS Parliamentary Assembly...

I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am the oldest member of the Committee on Administration and Internal Security, which I have served since I came to Parliament in 2013. Against the fear of the Leader of the Majority Party, I want to confirm that we have a very committed...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, your earlier direction in regard to the matters previously presented apply. As we wait to report as a Committee in the first week upon our return, I have taken note of what Hon. Mark Mwenje has stated. We will convey this information to the relevant Government agencies...

Hon. Chairperson to report to the House.

Mover, move agreement with the Report.

Let us do it properly. Just take your time, Mover, and confirm that we are capturing what actually happened.

Hon. Chairperson. THAT, the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House be amended by inserting the following words at the end: “subject to re-committal of Clause 48”. I also request Hon. Mwengi Mutuse to second the amendment. Hon. Mutuse.

There being no further interest to contribute, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) The House resolved accordingly: THAT, this House do agree with the Report of the Committee of the whole House on its consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12...

Will the Temporary Chairlady report to the House.

Thank you. May the Mover move agreement with the report?

Would the Leader of the Majority Party approach the Speaker. (Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Thank you very much. (Question proposed) (Loud consultations) Thank you very much. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am a very happy Member today. This has been a long struggle. We have finally agreed...

It is now time. Hon. Mukunji John Gitonga, move your Motion of Adjournment.

It is unfortunate. When there is a Motion of Adjournment, it should start at the time directed by the Speaker. What you ought to have done was to rise in your place and indicate that it was time since we were in the Committee of the whole House.

That would have required reporting to enable the House reconvene to plenary. Be that as it may, I will invoke the powers of the Speaker, under Standing Order 1, to allow you to move the Motion of Adjournment so that the matter does not lapse. If you do not move...

Thank you, Hon. Gitonga. I want to give the first chance to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research, Hon. Melly. Do you want to speak on this?

You are correct. Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, proceed.

This is to alert you Members that for Adjournment Motion, you have only five minutes. Because of so much interest, I would request that you compact your statements to under five minutes. Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Hon. Dekow Barrow, Member for Garissa Township. Do you want to speak to this?

As I recognise Hon. Gideon Ochanda, could someone be looking at the removal process for top KNEC officers, because I think it is something which ought to come out in our deliberations. Hon Gideon Ochanda.

Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments. I thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I also support the action by Hon. Chepkonga in withdrawing this provision which had initially been recommitted. The need to consider a formula, however, other than that which mentions what is mentioned in that provision which Hon. Chepkonga was dealing with, remains. Hon. Chepkonga is a convener...

Next Order. THE NATIONAL LOTTERY BILL

Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Caroli Omondi is interested in informing you.

Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo.

Thank you very much. (Question proposed) Hon. (Dr) Nyikal.

Order, Hon. Members. What is happening at rows two and three behind the Leader of the Majority Party’s seat, that is making both the Leader of the Majority Party and his Deputy move from their place? Proceed.

Hon. George Gitonga Murugara.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka, do you want to contribute to this?

Hon. Chege Njuguna.

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe, are you on a point of order or you want to contribute?

We only have one minute. Who would be able to contribute in one minute? Hon. Jane Kagiri.

No, Hon. Jane Kagiri. I see more than ten requests. There is still interest in the debate. I will, therefore, not put the Question that the Mover be now called upon to reply. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

Hon. Jane Kagiri, Member of Parliament for Laikipia County.

Thank you, Hon. Kagiri. This is a very straightforward Bill; it is seeking to add shark, stone fish, whale and stingray to the list of animal injuries to be compensated. Hon. Beatrice Kemei.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, looking at page 13 it appears that injuries from animals in fresh water lakes is already covered except from these ones. I can see injuries from hippopotamus which live along fresh water bodies, snakes and crocodiles are covered. I do not know whether the Chairperson of the...

The Deputy Majority Leader. Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. Farah Maalim.

Your time is up. Hon. Fatuma Masito.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Hon. Shakeel Shabbir.

Thank you. Hon. Joshua Mwalyo.

Hon. Simon King’ara.

Thank you, Hon. King’ara. You know, the dimension you should take is the confidence that it will give Kenyans to go out into the sea. If you can remember, the President signed the Economic Partnership Agreement with the European Union in June. You can imagine if he gave our people...

Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya, Advocate of the High Court.

Hon. Makali Mulu

Thank you very much Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu. When you look at the Bill on page 13, snakes are mentioned in part B. You are saying that you want them included in part A in terms of compensation for death and injury arising from snakes, because part B is dealing...

Hon. Kassim Tandaza.

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Thank you, Hon. Timothy Toroitich. You have reminded me that I lost my grandmother to a viper bite. I did not see her because of that. I pray that you follow through your proposed amendment. There being no further interest, can the Mover reply now?

Thank you very much. Congratulations! You have brought business which has kept Parliament glued for the whole afternoon. It is a good one. Next Order.

Hon. John Kaguchia, your request under Standing Order 53 (3) is acceded to. Putting of the Question on the Bill by Hon. (Capt) Ruweida will be done on the next occasion when the Bill will be scheduled for consideration by the House Business Committee in future. (Putting of the Question...

Hon. Malulu Injendi, I have been reminded that you are debating the Bill before moving it in the manner that the House requires it to be moved. Could you please repeat the procedure? You know how we do it. Do so before you proceed to debate. This is so that...

Hon. Toroitich Timothy.

Thank you. (Question proposed) Hon. Sigei, people do not know you are a former county commissioner in no lesser place than Nairobi, when a provincial commissioner was a provisional commissioner. Proceed.

Member for Emgwen, Hon. Josses Lelmengit.

Hon. John Kaguchia.

Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya, Senior Counsel.

Order, Hon Mulanya and Hon. Members. Hon. Mulanya, you will have six minutes to contribute to this Bill when this matter will be scheduled in the future for further consideration. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 9.03