Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo.

Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member of Parliament (MP) for Emuhaya.

Hon. Omboko, do you want to be informed by Hon. (Dr) Pukose?

There being no more interest, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Let the bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, let us be upstanding. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.35

We will start with the Cotton Industry Development Bill (Senate Bill No. 5 of 2023) . Hon. Vice-Chairlady. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE COTTON INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT BILL Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Thank you. The Mover to move agreement with the Report.

Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Oundo, do you want to contribute? Give Hon. Oundo the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Wilberforce Oundo. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I will defer putting of the question to the Cotton Industry Development Bill, (Senate Bill No. 5 of 2023) , to the future or when it will next be scheduled by the House Business Committee, possibly in...

Mover to move for agreement with the report.

The Deputy Majority Whip.

Does Hon. Elsie Muhanda want to speak to this? There are very many requests. Are the Members seeking to speak to this or to the next order? Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, putting of the question on the matter of the County Government's Additional Allocations Bill, Senate...

Hon. Kalasinga, second.

Thank you. (Several Members stood along the gangways) May the Members who are standing take their seats because this is a bit long. (Question proposed) Hon. Geoffrey Odanga.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, Member for Funyula.

Your time is up, but I will give you one minute to support the technology you mentioned. Hon. Members, I am warning you that the lights you are used to are not working.

We will have Hon. Abdul Rahim Dawood to be followed by Hon. Adan Keynan because of rank.

Next is the Member for Eldas, Hon. Adan Keynan.

Hon. Jared Okello.

Hon. Caroli Omondi to follow Hon. Jayne Kihara. Why do some Members believe Hon. Jayne Kihara can only talk about coffee, tea and fish from Lake Naivasha? (Laughter)

Member for Suba South, Hon. Caroli.

Hon. Ruth Odinga came after Hon. Joyce Bensuda. Hon. Bensuda came after Beatrice Kemei, but I like the name Ruth Odinga. I want Ruth Odinga to speak because she is a farmer.

Order, Hon. Ruth Odinga. You will have six minutes when this Motion comes back to the House. You will be the first to speak when it is mentioned. Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Hon. Bensouda and all Members listening to you know why I made the right decision to skip the line...

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank His Excellency the President and the appointing authority for these nominations. I looked through the parliamentary approval process under the charge of your Committee, and I was delighted by the competence of these two ladies. Let me mention that this is the first...

Hon. David Ochieng’. ONGOING ABDUCTIONS AND EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLINGS BY POLICE OFFICERS

Thank you, Hon. David Ochieng’. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, how long do you want to take to respond to this question?

Hon. Ochieng’, are you okay with that?

Hon. Chairman, you will give your response latest the second week after recess; the last Thursday of the second week upon the return of the House from recess.

It is certainly and obviously acceptable to Hon. Ochieng’. The matter that was raised by Hon. Naisula Lesuuda is what the substantive Speaker addressed just before he left the Chair. Do we have a response for Hon. Innocent Momanyi by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure?

Hon. Jared Okello, what is the matter? What is out of order? Hon. Jared Okello (Nyando, ODM) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I really concur with our brother, Hon. Ochieng’. We need a comprehensive Statement on the continued abductions and wanton killings by police officers. We will proceed on recess tomorrow....

The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs has noted those concerns. They will be dealt with within the limit of what Hon. Ochieng’ has asked. That matter is spent. I had called the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure to respond to the...

Hon. Innocent Momanyi is not in the House. Hon. Chairman, Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Members ought to be sufficiently interested in the matters they raise on behalf of Kenyans whom they represent. Because he is not here, I direct that you table that response here and get a...

Just table it. It lessens your burden. Table it so that he can get a copy. You can also get a way of getting him either to get the response from the parliamentary offices and take it up from there. Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure,...

Is Hon. Stephen Mule here? He is also not in the House. You will also table that response for him to access it when he will come to the House. Respond to the question raised by Hon. Tindi Mwale. Is he in the House? He is the Vice-Chairperson of the...

Thank you very much, Chairperson. In respect to the other documents, just Table them so that Members who are not in the House can easily access them. Hon. Tindi, are you satisfied with the response? You are satisfied with the response coming from the relevant Ministry, through the Chair?

Chair, by way of properly moving, please beg to move the Motion as per the Order Paper. You could add “word for word”, if possible. Then, you can make contributions. APPOINTMENT OF M/S PKF KENYA LLP TO PROVIDE EXTERNAL AUDIT SERVICES TO THE OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL FOR 2022/2023, 2023/2024...

Thank you, Hon. Vice-Chairman, Public Accounts Committee. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, proceed to second.

As I was saying, in your contributions in moving this particular Motion, you have confirmed to us that Parliament always outlives whoever the Member is. We do not feel that Hon. John Mbadi is now not the Chairperson of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) . Congratulations. Hon. Members, let me...

Hon. (Dr) Pukose Robert.

The Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

Thank you. The Hon (Dr) Phyllis Bartoo.

Hon. Francis Sigei.

Hon. Justice Kimei. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for also giving me an opportunity to congratulate our athletes. I thought this side is for footballers, not athletes. (Laughter)We are coming this way.

Hon. Julius Melly.

Is the Member next to the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, Hon. Rutto? Give Hon. Rutto the microphone.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Take your seat, Hon. Omanyo.

Hon. KJ, please note that Hon. Catherine Omanyo neither named nor identified anybody. All she said is that as a matter of principle, men should fight men, and women should fight women. I get you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo, wind up.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, and lastly, Hon. Jared Okello. Hon. Members, we have other businesses to transact.

Hon. Jared Okello.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, under Standing Order 1, has a very special request.

Hon. Members, I want us to end this debate. There is very critical Business coming under Standing Order No.10. You note that the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has been sitting in the House. I wish that Members begin looking at that business. Hon. Members, under the relevant...

Hon. John Kiarie.

Hon. Joseph Oyula, Member of Parliament for Butula. I am intentionally choosing people to speak to this Bill. (Laughter)

The Member of Parliament for Baringo County, Hon. Florence Jematiah.

Hon. Florence Jematiah.

Hon. Florence Jematiah, do you want information from Dr Lilian Gogo?

Proceed.

Hon. Florence Jematiah, your truthfulness has been appreciated and given back to you as information. Proceed.

Thank you. If you are done, I will go to the left. Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu will be followed by Hon. Senior Counsel Naisula Lesuuda.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

Hon. Jared Okello, do you want to speak to this Bill for five minutes?

Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Njeri Maina, as you address this Bill, could you also explain the court fines. Now that the Judiciary is not devolved, how would this money go back to the county?

Hon. Andrew Okuome, Member for Karachuonyo.

Order, Hon. Okuome Adipo. Let me register my appreciation to all of you for having been in the House up to this late. Special thanks to Hon. John Waluke, Hon. John Kiragu, Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, Hon. Samuel Parashina, Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, Hon. Kirima and Hon. Charity...

Hon. Muhia.

The Deputy Majority Whip, Dr Naomi Waqo.

In my entire life as a Temporary Speaker, I have never seen a Motion before the Floor of this House moved with such detailed information and knowledge. Therefore, before I consider the request made by the Deputy Majority Whip, let me congratulate the Mover and the seconder for a very...

Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo, Questions are first proposed. Listening to Hon. Thuku Kwenya and Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu, I do not think we have a reason to mourn Hon. Mbadi joining the National Treasury because we have it all from you. We can now help Hon. Mbadi as he helps...

Your point is made, Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce. That is the beauty of listening to a man and a leader like you: You make one statement, and we hear the point you are making. Could we allow Hon. Jessica Mbalu to contribute as I consult the Standing Orders on the point?...

Thank you, Hon. Jessica Mbalu. Hon. Abdikadir Mohamed.

Thank you. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Thank you, Hon. Oundo. The debate on the Motion appearing as Order No.11 is adjourned to a later date as will be scheduled by the House Business Committee, for those good reasons. Next Order. (Debate adjourned) THE COFFEE BILL Is the mover in the House? The Bill is stepped down...

Give Dr. Makali Mulu two minutes.

Hon. Mutunga.

I note Hon. Pkosing has come in to contribute to this debate, Hon. Sabina Chege, and the Deputy Majority Whip of the Party, (Dr) Naomi Waqo. But really, I will grant that this debate be adjourned to a future date so that we continue with it when the House is...

We now have a quorum, and we can proceed with the House business.

Thank you very much, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. I am informed that the Committee on Appointments intends to lay its Report on the vetting of the Cabinet Secretaries nominees today. They will be permitted to do so in the course of the business of the House this morning....

Hon. Manduku.

Is it the mood of the House that we put the Question? I have confirmed that we have a Quorum present in the House for the purpose of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON...

The Temporary Chairlady.

Hon. Members, I can observe the House from where I am sitting. Again, let me sit back and check whether we have a quorum. I see Hon. Mutunga is now here. Hon. Mutunga, this is a House of rules and precedents. You can be sure we do not have a...

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, I thought this House had ceased to urge Government. We had resolved that this House should be resolving or deciding. Why are we urging the Government?

Hon. Members, for those who do not have this Motion, I would request you look at it. It is one of the most important the House could be debating at this point in time. It is one Motion that should engage the House deeply and actively. Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Members, we recently lost a very hard-working magistrate, Madam Monica Kivuti, who was shot by a police officer whose duty was to guard her. I do not know how you would relate incidents such as that to this Motion. That is why this Motion is very critical. You see...

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Nyamai. Hon. Members, before we continue, allow me to do this while upstanding. Let me welcome the following institutions of learning to the House of Parliament; ELCK Itierio Girls Primary Boarding and Junior Secondary School, Bonchari Constituency in Kisii County and Ogango Primary and Junior School...

The Member of Parliament for Kisii County, one minute.

Thank you very much. Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo, the Deputy Whip of the Majority Party in the National Assembly.

Hon. Charles Onchoke, make your contribution to the Motion.

Thank you very much, Hon. Charles Onchoke. Next is Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi the Member for Buuri.

Order, Hon. Rindikiri. I have heard you say that mental illness can reach anybody and not even Members of Parliament are excluded unless, I did not hear you right. Could you explain yourself?

Hon. Rindikiri, do you want to be informed by Hon. Julius Sunkuli?

Hon. Sunkuli, you can inform Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Elisha, are you contesting that you went to Ng’iya Girls?

Hon. Elisha, you have forgotten to mention the fact that in your constituency, people do not just throw stones anyhow because they may hit professors. But I assure you that the schools that Hon. Rindikiri went to are equally some of our greatest in the region and in the country....

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara will be followed by Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, and then Hon. Dick Maungu, in that order. Proceed, Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

I had said you give the microphone to Hon. Maungu. Proceed Hon. Maungu.

After Dick Maungu, we will have Hon. Donya Dorice and Hon. Phelix Odiwuor in that order.

Hon. Dorice Donya. Hon. Members, this Motion will be debated up to around 12.42 p.m. and then the Mover will be called upon to reply. I encourage you to speak for a shorter time, so that as many of you as possible may contribute.

Next is Hon. Phelix Odiwuor, also known as Jalang’o, the Member for Lang’ata.

Hon. Members, we are interrupting this debate to allow the Leader of the Majority Party to lay some Papers and give notice of Motion.

Leader of Majority Party, lay the Paper and give notice of Motion. (Hon. Irene Kasalu and Hon. Thuddeus Nzambia stood up in their places) Order, Members on your feet! Resume your seats.

Hon. Irene Kasalu and Hon. Nzambia, could you, please, take your seats? This is a very important Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS CABINET SECRETARIES

Order! Who is that Hon. Member? Please, do the right thing. (Hon. Zaheer Jhanda went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) That is the great Member of Parliament for Nyaribari Chache. Proceed.

Thank you very much. Hon. Members, we are going back to Order No.12. POLICY FOR PROVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN ALL HEALTHCARE FACILITIES The Members who want to speak to this Motion, we have less than 12 minutes. Approach Hon. Mishi. You know what to discuss with her. At...

Mover, Hon. Mishi Mboko, how many minutes do you want to use in your reply?

Next Member.

We request Members to go to the point. With one minute, you cannot say much. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Was it Hon. Kibagendi, and then Hon. Charity Kathambi?

Hon. Charity Kathambi.

Hon. Mishi, take 50 seconds.

Thank you very much, Commissioner. The Question will be put for the convenience of the House at a future date when this matter will be scheduled by the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. Second Reading THE MUNG BEANS BILL (Bill deferred)Order No.13 will be stood...

Order, Hon. Nabulindo. You will have 25 minutes when this matter is next placed on the Order Paper. The time has come for us to rise. Let us be upstanding. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00 p.m., the House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30 p.m. The House...

Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, the Member of Parliament for the father of the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, it is only you who wants to comment. First and foremost, I have confirmed that we have quorum in the House for the purpose of deciding. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON...

Give Hon. Dr Nyikal five more minutes. (Laughter)

Thank you, Dr Nyikal. The Member of Parliament for Luanda.

Is Hon. Stephen Mogaka seeking to speak on this Motion? He is not in the House. Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, do you want to speak to this Motion? You are the mover?

Just a minute. The Speaker exercises discretion before that determination is made in the circumstances. Hon. Japheth Nyakundi, do you by any chance intend to speak to this particular Motion? Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo? Therefore, there being no further interest in terms of contributions to the Motion, may the mover now...

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, Question to this Motion will be put when it will next be scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration by the House. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF SPECIFIED STATE CORPORATIONS Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture...

Thank you, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. Let us have Hon. Clive Gisairo, the Member of Parliament for Kitutu Masaba, followed by Hon. (Dr) Oundo.

Hon. Gisairo, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research is not present but I know he is listening wherever he is and so is our good Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. As we talk about JSS, we have more TTCs and we have lowered the...

Dr Wilberforce Oundo.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. Hon. Cynthia Muge seems to be attending to some state duties. Let us have Hon. Charles Ngusya.

Next is the Member for Kitui Central, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Hon. Makali Mulu, you have a minute or two of your time remaining. You are a long-serving Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Thank you for the compliments to our colleague, Hon. John Mbadi. Before you sit down, Hon. Makali, inform the House on something appearing on page 910,...

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Johana Ng’eno for purposes of balance. He will be followed by Hon. Francis Sigei.

Thank you, Chairman. Next is the Hon. Commissioner, Ambassador Francis Sigei, Member for Sotik.

Thank you, ambassador. Next is Hon. John Gitonga.

Hon. Erick Muchangi.

Hon. Omar Mwinyi, because of rank.

Thank you. Hon. Robert Basil, Member of Parliament for Yatta.

Thank you, Hon. Basil. Next is Hon. John Makali, the Member for Kanduyi.

Your time is up, Hon. Makali, but you made very good points. Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Order, Hon. Members. Let us arise. Hon. Timothy Toroitich, you will have nine-and-a-half minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.05 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 31st July 2024, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 7.05 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Hon. (Dr) James Wambura Nyikal, Member of Parliament for Seme.

Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, Member for Thika Town.

Let us have Hon. (Dr.) Joyce Osogo Bensuda. In addition to the Budget, tell us what is happening in Homa Bay.

Thank you. Hon. Dr Phyllis Bartow. You know how passionate Dr. Bensuda is on national issues.

Hon. Dr. Phyllis Bartoo, do you want to be informed?

Hon. Umulkher Harun followed by Hon. (Dr) Eve Obara, Member for Kasipul Kabondo, in that order.

Thank you very much. Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara.

That is Dr Eve Obara. The one in whose single head three degrees sit very conformably. Hon. Members, I gave priority to female Members because of what we have in Article 53 of the Constitution, not because of gender bias. Article 53 of the Constitution says whatever we do, we...

How many more minutes do you need to conclude the point you are making? Add him two minutes. I like it when we talk more about corruption. I do not know why we just see police officers. We are not seeing governors or top Government officers.

Thank you very much. Hon. Michael Muchira, Member of Parliament for Ol Jorok.

They are already paid a salary to perform their roles which are oversight, representation and legislation. I am shocked that as a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, you are saying you left that budget line and yet, the President is crying we help him get money. Going by...

Even if it were to benefit Members of the National Assembly, it should not be saved. We should be serious and address this issue. I hope a Member of Parliament will pick it and delete it completely. We should not be wasting money when our President is crying for money...

Hon. Kiragu, Member of Parliament for Limuru Constituency.

Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei.

Next is the Member for Kapenguria, Hon. Samwel Moroto.

Because of rank, I will give the chance to Hon. Julius Melly, Member for Tinderet and Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education.

Hon. Julius Melly, I am reminded by the system of Parliament that, as the Chairman, Departmental Committee on Education, you have 15 minutes to speak to this.

Hon. Julius Melly, we have 15 minutes for you to tell us the deficits. That is why we are honoured to have the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Just before you came in, Members were already identifying areas where we can get funds for the deficits in the...

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member of Parliament for Buuri.

Thank you very much. Hon. Dido Raso, Vice-Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs.

Hon. Dido Raso, let us rise. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 9.34 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Thursday, 25th July 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 9.34 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am not fortunate to sit in the Committee on Appointments, but let me tell the members of that Committee about something that the High Court said a short while back, as they go into that critical process, before I make my last comment. Those...

Who is seconding? Hon. Ng’elechei, Member of Parliament for Elgeyo Marakwet.

Hon. Julius Mawathe, do you want to speak on this? Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, proceed.

Thank you. Member for Ruaraka.

Thank you Hon. Kajwang’. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) took the Chair]

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Hon. Julius Melly.

Hon. Melly, just before you do that, there is a thinking that the role of a member of parliament around the NG-CDF is still as chair or patron of the Fund. As the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research, you should explain to them our oversight role...

Thank you, Hon. Melly. Hon. Members, this is a very critical thing because people have been asking who audits or oversees the NG-CDF. If you have been following whatever has been happening, you will note that there has been a misconception that Members of Parliament implement the NG-CDF. In this...

Whom did I say should follow? Hon. Masara, you want to wait and undertake some business before you contribute. Just hold on a bit. The leading Clerk-at-the-Table will approach you shortly. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Peter Masara, lay the document first.

Proceed, please.

Hon. Raphael Wanjala, approach the Chair. (Hon. Raphael Wanjala approached the Chair) Meanwhile, proceed, Hon. Peter Masara. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025

Thank you. Hon. Masara, has given a notice of motion. In the meantime, Hon. Beatrice Elachi will speak, and then you will speak on the Motion that was going on. We will revert to the Motion on the NG-CDF. (Debate on the Motion resumed)

Thank you, Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Hon. Francis Masara followed by Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Hon. Rashid Bedzimba.

Ahsante. Nilikuwa nimesema Mjumbe

Next is Hon. Esther Passaris.

In fact, the Act does not mention a Member of Parliament anywhere, not even the oversight committee. A Member of Parliament only interacts with the NG-CDF in the manner we are doing now, which is the oversight of the Report of the Auditor-General. So, proceed.

Hon. Esther Passaris, the last time I checked, all Kenyans were in Government, including the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga. Which government is this that you want former Prime Minister Raila Odinga to join? The last time I checked, all Kenyans were in Government but in different political parties as stated...

Clarification made, Hon. Passaris. Thank you very much. There is no Opposition under our current Constitution. Thank you. Hon. Keynan, proceed because of the rank.

Thank you, Hon. Keynan. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member of Parliament for Kaiti.

Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei Constituency.

Member for Nyatike.

Hon. (Eng.) Paul Nzengu, Member of Parliament.

Hon. Members, please be upstanding. The debate on this particular Motion will continue tomorrow. Hon. Members, the time being 7.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 24th July 2024, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi