George Peter Opondo Kaluma

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Has Hon. Gonzi Rai spoken to this Motion? If you have not spoken to the Motion, as a ranking Member and on account of seniority, proceed and make your contributions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana ndugu, Mhe. Gonzi Rai. Let us have Hon. Joseph Kahangara Mburu, the Member of Parliament for Lari Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eric Kahugu, Member of Parliament for the great people of Mathira Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Do we have Hon. Harrison Kombe, the Member of Parliament for Magarini in the House? You may proceed. 7th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Harrison Kombe, for those wise and well thought contributions. Do we have Hon. GG Kagombe? Is Gatundu South the Constituency of the Fourth President of the country?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Just a minute, Hon. GG Kagombe. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, I really wanted to give you the chance to make your contribution, but the systems of Parliament confirm that you had contributed to this Motion on Wednesday, 15th February. I do not know whether you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. GG Kagombe, the President has dispatched these thoughts to Parliament and as Members, we can only enrich those thoughts and act if we are to deal. And not just to support because we still do not have a Bill. I will add you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Gabriel Kagombe, you had risen on a point of order to ask why Question No.20/2023 by Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member for Embakasi West, was being directed to the Ministry in charge of Interior and National Administration. We have looked...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) Joyce Atieno Osogo Bensouda, you have not told the people of Kenya how Homa Bay County, which you represent, has dealt with the issue of affirmative action. I have also not heard you appreciate the fact that the people of Homa Bay...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Let us have Hon. Dr. Wilberforce Oundo, had you contributed to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Dr. Oundo, as you are aware, those great gentle ladies that she has mentioned hold the top-level academic qualifications. She forgot to add the title Doctor when referring to Dr. Lillian Gogo, Dr. Eve Obara, Senior Counsel, Human Rights Advocate Millie Odhiambo Mabona....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Cynthia Muge, for those submissions and contributions. Member for Mumias East, have you contributed to this Motion? You do very well outside. We want to hear you speak to it. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Peter Salasya, the great Member of Parliament for Mumias East. Does Hon. David Kiplagat want to contribute to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. David Kiplagat, you are a very informed leader. Let me pick your thoughts on some matters as you give your views on this matter. You know the much talked about recent decision by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has amended Article 27...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. David Kiplagat. I will let your last statements go because you have responded very well and in a very informative way to the initial question. You see, demonstration is a constitutional right, and it cannot be disruptive. On the right to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Did you call any judge of the country “a mere woman?”

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Masara, I am asking about the point that was raised. Did you refer to any judge, whether in the Supreme Court or in any of the superior court, as “a mere woman?”

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Masara, were you discussing the matter of woman in the context of affirmative action or what you feel about the Supreme Court’s determination?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Masara, give me a minute. I will add you time. Do not worry. Our Standing Order 87 forbids discussing the conduct of a judge and those other State Officers set therein, unless there is a substantive Motion. So, to the extent that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) You have your right to contribute without undue haste on the matters, taking into account also the interruptions we have had against you. Did you say that his time is nearly up? Proceed, Hon. Peter Masara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Masara, at some point in time, I could not remember the Motion you were contributing to towards the end. So long as you are able to connect it to the memorandum from the President, there is no objection from other Members in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order, Hon. Masara?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Adagala, the Standing Orders require that when you begin speaking in either English or Kiswahili, you continue that way up to the end.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Adagala, you are required by the Standing Orders to substantiate some of these things. I know you are a very good friend of Hon. Masara but do not risk. If you are not very sure, please, withdraw and then we will accord you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) No, Hon. Adagala. You know how it is done. You are a very old and competent Member of the House. You know that when you 7th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)withdraw, you do so unequivocally. You cannot...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Adagala, I will add you two minutes but I want to warn you from going against Standing Order No. 87. You have contradicted Standing Order 87, which prohibits you from discussing any leader without a substantive Motion.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Beatrice Adagala. Hon. Rindikiri, you had contributed to this Motion. Am I right? On the memorandum by the President, I thought you did. If Hon. Rindikiri had not contributed, it would be in order to recognise and give him...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Rindikiri, the House always benefits from your thoughtful contributions. I wanted to pick your mind on the new definition of “gender” coming from the Supreme Court. I know some Members have not looked at it but you always do – I know you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for your wise contribution, Hon. Rindikiri. Member Kieni, do you want to contribute or have you already contributed to this Motion? Let me confirm. If you want to contribute, the microphone is already asking you 7th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 50...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Jessica Mbalu. 7th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jessica Mbalu, you will have six minutes to continue with your contribution on this Motion when the House sits next time. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.01

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. So that we can get the perspective of the other religion, may we have Hon. Mishi Mboko, the Member for Likoni and Commissioner.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana, Mhe. Mboko, kwa maono hayo. Mhe. Rindikiri Mugambi, Mjumbe wa Buuri. 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Rindikiri, for urging everybody to add their voice to this matter. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, Member of Parliament for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Does the Leader of the Majority Party want to contribute? Proceed, Sir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Leader of the Majority Party, would that be the Bank Robbers Association of Kenya? 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA): Yes, it could be the Bank Robbers Association of Kenya. You may find...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Farah Maalim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Farah Maalim. Let us have the Chairperson of the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, Hon. Gitonga Murugara, the MP for Tharaka, now that we are talking about the Supreme Court.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. Patrick Makau are you on intervention, or do you want to contribute? 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Johana Ng’eno.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jackson Kosgei, Nominated MP.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Honourable Timothy Wanyonyi, the Member of Parliament for Westlands.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Honourable Yakub Adow the Member of Parliament for Bura Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Caroli Omondi, Member of Parliament for Suba South

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Caroli Omondi, I will add you a few seconds. Did the Pope read Sections 162 to165 of Kenya’s Penal Code or the Pope said homosexuality is not a crime in which country? Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, 67...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Eng.) Paul Nzengu, Member for Mwingi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. James Nyikal, Member for Seme. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Julius ole Sunkuli, Member for Kilgoris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Kahindi Katana, Member for Kaloleni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei. Let the voice of Elgeyo Marakwet be heard.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)The Hon. Oscar Nabulindo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, the Member for Kisauni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Geoffery Ruku, the Member for Mbeere North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Go on. You have three minutes. 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, MP for Karachuonyo. Proceed for three minutes or less.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana. Mhe. Gonzi Rai, Mjumbe wa Kinango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mjumbe, Robert Ngui Basil, mwakilishi wa Eneo Bunge la Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Makali, Member for Kanduyi and a Senior Counsel.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Mjumbe wa Kericho.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Patrick Osero, Member for Borabu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joseph Makilap

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members. The time being

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti. He seems not to be around. Hon. John Waluke, Member for Sirisia. Is anyone interested in this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) It seems no one is interested in this Motion. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Muriu. Do we have Hon. John Kawanjiku, the Member for Kiambaa?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. John Kaguchia, the Member for Mukurweini, make your contribution. 28th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 58

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kaguchia, I will give you two more minutes because you sound more knowledgeable. Before you go to the next point, I want you to explain to people how you can bring the Leader of the Official Opposition to the House in a presidential...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Next is the Member for Ainamoi, Hon. Benjamin Lang’at on account of rank and seniority.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Kemei, the Member for Kericho. She is not here. In fact, I am told that she had contributed. Get her name out of the requests list. Let us have Hon. Charity Kathambi, the Member for Njoro. Just address the issue of gender....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Murang’a County is recognised. I am sorry. Do we have any lawyer in the House? As the Member for Murang’a contributes, I want you to begin looking at Article 38 of the Constitution so that you enrich the House when you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kajwang’, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kajwang’, your point of order is noted. I also know that the Member is very knowledgeable. The Member was referring to a Member who spoke from there saying, “The Opposition wants to speak.” That was the only context.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Betty Maina, you stand corrected. Currently, we do not have opposition in this House. Hon. Joshua Kimilu has been up the list of requests for very long. You may proceed. Hon. Kimilu, you do not have to spend the entire 10 minutes. Have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi, the Member for Kitutu Chache North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi, which opposition are you talking about?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Caroli Omondi, the Member for Suba South is recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.03

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to oppose the recommendations by the Committee on Delegated Legislation to nullify this illegal statutory instrument. We call them delegated legislations because the authority to legislate is vested in this House and not in anybody outside...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, reports are published and laid in the House before the mover initiates debate on the Floor of the House. I do not have to listen to him because I read the Report. The reference made to the Statutory Instruments Act...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Is Hon. Tom Odege in the House? The gentleman representing the people of Nyatike Constituency? He is not in. Let us have Hon. Caroli Omondi, Member for Suba South constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much for the informative position. Do we have Hon. Paul Biego in House, the Member for Chesumei Constituency? He has stepped out. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti? Hon. Members He has gone out. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Oyula. Let us have Hon. David Mboni, the Member for Kitui Rural.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Mboni. Next is Hon. Maina Mathenge, Member of Parliament for Nyeri Town.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much for that informative submission. Hon. Abdikadir Mohamed, the Member of Parliament for Lagdera is in the House. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. The Hon. Omboko Milemba, the Member of Parliament for Emuhaya and Temporary Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You know the best brain from Homa Bay County on matters finance is Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo. Give him a chance to contribute and tell us how much foreign debt has been used to fund what project in Homabay County. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hold on, Hon Okuome Adipo. Hon. Shabbir, according to the list we have here, we have only three requests and you are on top of it after Hon. Okuome Adipo. So, prepare. We have enough time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo. The Hon. Shakeel Shabbir, the gentleman representing the people of Kisumu East, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Shakeel Shabbir. Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu Githinji, Senior Counsel. Thank you for your patience. You have been waiting for too long.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Gichimu. Did the Member for Roysambu want to contribute to this? The Member who is now going out. 22nd February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Did the Member for Kieni want to contribute to this? He is speaking from within Parliament. Let him go. Proceed, Hon. Gichimu. He has been quite patient for the entire afternoon, but I do not know whether he wanted to contribute to this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You will have two minutes ex debito justitiae as a matter of justice. I am interpreting it for the Chair of the Committee to understand. You, therefore, have two minutes from the time I finish speaking. Hon. Gichimu Githinji (Gichugu, UDA) : Thank you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Esther Passaris, Member of Parliament for Nairobi County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The point has been made Hon. Esther Passaris. Let us have Hon. Gideon Ochanda, the Member for Bondo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Ochanda. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, Member for Migori County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. I hope that will also help us to reduce our debts. There being no further contributions being sought by Members from the Floor, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much Hon. Chairperson. I would have put the question, but we do not have the numbers. The Motion will be put when the House sits next and the matter is scheduled for such business. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Umechangia memorandum hii kwa ufasaha na uweledi bila kutambua eneo unalotoka. Ungeomba, ningekuongeza muda. Nampa nafasi hii ndugu Mheshimiwa wa Eneo Bunge la Emurua Dikirr, Mwanasheria Johana Ng’eno aendelee kuchangia kwa lugha hii ya kitaifa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana, Mhe. Johana Ng’eno. We will have, on a special request, the gentleman from Ruaraka Constituency in Nairobi City County. Hon. Charles Onchoke, you are next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) It is not seeing the House but you are recognised for the points and the dimensions you are bringing in. Because of that, and reading the mood of the House and the interest that Hon. Johana Ng’eno and other Members have in the contribution...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kajwang’, just before you sit down, because you are still within your time, Hon. Charles Onchonke is also a lawyer with a finance-like mind. The Member for Narok North should also prepare in that order. I want to get your views on Article...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’. Hon. Charles Onchoke, Member of Parliament for the great of people of Bonchari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member who is standing between the Speaker and the Member speaking should read the Standing Orders again. You do not block the view of the Speaker from the Member speaking.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Charles Onchoke. The gentlelady representing the great people of Narok North, Hon. Agnes Pareyio.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order. Is that Hon. Sunkuyia? You are an old Member and you know what you should do. I will not tell you but just do it and then proceed. 16th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)(Hon. George Sunkuyia...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. George Sunkuyia, the gentleman representing the great constituency of Kajiado West. You can contribute from there. This is a presidential system. You can contribute from any side of the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Sunkuyia, I am sorry to interrupt you. You will continue after this Communication. Sit down for a minute. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR DELEGATION FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, I wish to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is Hon. Titus Lotee, the gentleman representing the people of Kacheliba Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is the Member for Isiolo South – the Member directly opposite Hon. Lotee. Do you want to contribute? You have been recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mohamed, you decided to speak in tongues. Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, the Member of Parliament for the great people of Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member of Parliament for Embakasi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member of Parliament for Machakos County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kamene, before you comment on that, because the proposal is by the President, we can enrich those thoughts and possibly come up with a Bill. How would you propose we realise the two-thirds gender rule? Do we go by what the President is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Kamene. Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member of the Chairperson’s Panel and Member representing the great people of Emuhaya. Hon. Omboko Milemba (Emuhaya, ANC) . Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to speak on these proposals that were sent...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. John Paul Mwirigi. Hon. Francis Kuria Kimani, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning and the Member of Parliament for the people of Molo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kimani, let me thank you for being here this late. When we first came to House, this is the time when the first-term Members like Hon. Omboko Milemba would be in the House honing their legislative and debating skills. They would also enrich...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Do not worry Hon. Kimani. My weekend is starting tomorrow in Kisii and then we will be proceeding to Kisumu on Saturday. Do not worry about those other things we do outside the House. Let us do this business.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Chair of Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning for the enriching presentation. Hon. Paul Biego, Member of Parliament for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga. Is it possible for you to contribute within five minutes so that your brother, Hon. Abraham Kirwa also gets a bite?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. Hon. Abraham Kirwa, the gentleman representing the people of Mosop Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Member, you will have seven minutes the next time this matter is put on the Order Paper for debate. Most likely that will be on Tuesday. So, make sure you are in the House at the start of the Motion. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We do not have a substantive Bill before us. His Excellency the President is inviting us to share our insights on these matters he remitted to the Speaker of this honourable House. I will, therefore, keep...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, I want to call upon all first time MPs to visit Kiharu and see for themselves what the NG-CDF is doing for the Kiharu people under your oversight. As a person who has seen it, I know it is good. The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. David Gikaria, the person under whose charge our environment is protected.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. David Gikaria for ending your presentation. You remind me of the late Hon. William Chepkut who would recite all provisions without reference. Can we have Hon. Clive Gisairo of Kitutu Masaba?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Is Hon. Joseph Emathe, Member for Turkana Central in the House? He is not there. Hon. Dido Raso, the Vice- Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. 15th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. Members, we have barely less than 30 minutes to go. So, I want to encourage those of you who are going to get time to be as targeted as Hon. Dido Raso. If you can be done within less than 10...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is Hon. Josses Lelmengit, the gentleman representing Emgwen in the House present? Let us have Hon. John Gitonga of Manyatta Constituency for five minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Gitonga. The gentle lady from Moiben Constituency, the Hon. Phylis Bartoo. You have five minutes

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for that wise presentation. Hon. John Waluke, you have five minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Waluke. The Member for Banisa, Hon. Kulow Hassan.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Hassan. How many minutes will he have? (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerks-at-the-Table) You will have six minutes when debate will continue on this Motion tomorrow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.03

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kawanjiku John Njuguna. Is Hon. Wanjiku John Njuguna in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Question put and agreed to) Mover! APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is Hon. Millie Odhiambo- Mabona, Member for Suba North, and a senior counsel. The requests we have here are over 22, and we barely have 55 minutes to go. If you can make your point and save time for colleagues, it will be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I was asking whether the Chair of the National Assembly Select Committee... (Several Members spoke of record) 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 79 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)Is there is a problem? Hon. Temporary Speaker’s microphone is not working? Am I now...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) So, when you reply, tell the House why the NG-CDF has not been disbursed because so far I am aware that there is no order or anything stopping its disbursement. If we are a serious House, we should not just be crying as if...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani, Member for Molo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Waluke is back in the House. I will give him a chance to speak. (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much Hon. John Waluke. Your wisdom was missed. We wish you well and pray they do not mess up with your liberty again. Hon. John Kawanjiku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, Member of Parliament for Thika Town.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Adipo Okuome, on account of disability, Member for Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Cynthia Muge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Betty Maina.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us now have Hon. Omar Mwinyi, also known as Simba Tena.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mover, as you reply, respond to the question I had asked.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Musa Sirma. I know how passionate you are. Several Members are disappointed because they did not get a chance to speak on this matter. As the Motion states, this matter will involve a lot of public participation which will require even...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jared Okello, does the fact that he is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock take away his right as the representative of the people who brought him here?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jared Okello, I think you are exaggerating the powers of a chair of a committee. The chair of a committee is like the Temporary Speaker speaking with you now. He does not decide but presides over meetings of 22nd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mutunga, in law, we have a doctrine called volenti non fit injuria. You have invited the problem to yourself and, therefore, you cannot enjoy protection from me. I will add you one minute to continue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mutunga, can you answer the question that Hon. Kirima has asked, in a minute, so that we can proceed? He has asked whether your duty as a Member of Parliament is to the citizens of Kenya or America? That is what I heard...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You have made your point, Hon. Mutunga, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Let us now hear the Member for Kisumu West, Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Hon. Naomi Waqo, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Next is Hon. Samuel Moroto, the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is the Member for Kilgoris, Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Central Imenti, Hon. Moses Kirima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mjumbe wa Likoni, Mhe. Mishi Mboko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hata ladha ya tomato hiyo si nzuri. Tumepata kusikiliza Kiswahili sanifu kutoka Jimbo la Mombasa. Sasa nampa nafasi Mhe. Mark Mwenje, Mbunge wa Embakasi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us hear Hon. Christine Ombaka, Member for Siaya County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Sasa ni zamu ya Mbunge wa Jimbo la Mombasa, Mhe. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Sasa ni zamu ya Mjumbe wa Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is the Member for West Mugirango, Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joseph Oyula, Member for Butula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Lilian Siyoi, you have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Marwa Kitayama, are you on a point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kitayama, it was an Adjournment Motion. I know you have been cut short but the business of Parliament is prescribed in time. 22nd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 54 ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00