Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Let us have the Chairperson of the Committee of the whole House.

Mover?

Hon. Karemba.

You do not want to contribute. An Hon. Member We are done. You are done. Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Mover to move Third Reading.

Any contributions? Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Hon. Eric Kahugu raised his hand) The Member seated next to the Chairperson, why are you raising your hand? Give him the microphone.

Without further mention or ado, and it being the mood of the House that we put the Question, I have confirmed that we have the requisite quorum in the House for purposes of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read the Third Time with...

Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Hon. Millie Grace Odhiambo Mabona, Senior Counsel, do you want to contribute to this?

Hon. Owen Baya, you are being smart. You are contradicting the Speaker while pretending to be addressing Hon. Millie Odhiambo. You should remember that it is the Speaker who recognised Hon. Millie Odhiambo as senior counsel for the experiences particularly on matters children, family and the issue she is proceeding...

Thank you, Hon. Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo. You are always very informative on matters that we overlook as Parliament. Hon. (Dr) Wilberfoce Oundo, Member for Funyula.

Who is the Member greeting Hon. Kosgei? The Member whose necktie looks like the top worn by Hon. Millie Grace. Who is the Member? I saw you talking to Hon. Millie Grace. I know the Constitution has a special place Hon. Jared Okello, for our senior Members like Hon. (Dr)...

Hon. Jared Okello you are making very good contributions, but did I ask you to contribute? You were to apologise, which was a discretion on your part. If you comply, the Standing Orders do not require that you verbalise your apology. Is it within your intent to contribute to the...

We allow Hon. Okuome Adipo, who was the next one in line to contribute. Hon. Jared Okello I am being told that you had contributed to this Motion, you need to confirm because the Standing Orders may restrict my allowing you to contribute, which will be my best wish. Hon....

Thank you, Hon. Andrew Okuome. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei, nominated Member of Parliament.

Dr. Kosgei, I hope that you did not need more time because it is always very refreshing to listen to you on matters of morals and Africa. I hope that you did not curtail your time because time was up. You did not need additional time. Hon. Joseph Kahangara, Lari...

Thank you, Hon. Kahangara. Hon. Rozaah Buyu, do you want to contribute to this Motion? The Member of Parliament for Kisumu West is recognised.

Thank you, Hon. Rozah Buyu, for that contribution and good point. I hope those who are participating will note those concerns. Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara, do you want to contribute to this? Please do. You are recognised.

Hon. John Kiragu, Member for Limuru.

Thank you, Hon. Kiragu. Hon. (Dr,) Naomi Waqo, do you want to have a bite at this?

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga.

Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. The Motion is for noting, not supporting or opposing. I have seen Hon. Muriu Mungai. Sorry, Hon. Muriu Wakili not Mungai. The late Nani Mungai is your former partner, under whose tutelage and yourself, I learnt law. I hope you are not interested in contributing because...

Hon. Wakili Muriu.

Thank you very much. Mover.

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, you know the Hon. Temporary Speaker’s pursuits. You and your people from the Pemba Community know that we never quite fell out of the chair.

For the convenience of the House and for good reasons, putting of the Question relating to this Motion will be deferred to next time it will be scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order.

What is out of order? Give Hon. Yussuf the microphone.

Is it your observation that the House appears not to have quorum? Ring the Quorum Bell so that we confirm. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The bell only rung for six minutes. It should be rung for four more minutes in line with our Standing Orders. (The Quorum Bell was...

Thank you very much. Hon. Ibrahim Saney, Member for Wajir North.

Thank you very much. Hon. John Waluke, this is an approval debate where some people are proposed for appointment, but one is rejected. So, do not tell us much about climate change and other issues. Talk to the qualifications of these people or otherwise and, more so, the rejected person....

MP for Mbeere North, have you looked at Standing Order 95? It says that “…and, unless the Speaker is of the opinion that such Motion is an abuse of the proceedings of the House, or an infringement of the rights of Members, the question “That, the Mover be now called...

Hon. Gichimu Githinji, the Member of Parliament for Gichugu.

Hon. Fatuma Masito, Member for Kwale County.

Hon. Pauline Lenguris, do you want to speak to this? You have already spoken. Hon. Ruku GK and Charles Kamuren have also spoken. Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Parliament for Dagoretti North, do you want to speak to this? Please, proceed!

Hon. Dekow Mohamed.

Thank you. Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.

Which Member is on a point of order? Is that Hon. Emathe?

Hon. Mwalyo, do you want to be informed? (Hon. Joseph Emathe spoke off-record)

Next chance goes to Hon. Harrison Kombe, Member of Parliament for Magarini.

Who is this Member walking out? Hon. Jehow, you are walking as a true nomad. You have walked from one side to Hon. Gikaria, then back to Hon. Harrison Kombe. Please, take one side when you walk out. Hon. Kahindi Katana, Member of Parliament for Kaloleni, have you contributed to...

Member of Parliament for Mbeere North.

Hon. Paul that is a matter that, without evidence, would discredit the House. So, can you substantiate, if possible, confirming which Cabinet Secretary has ever been approved without meriting their position? Hon. Paul Kahindi, do you need information from Hon. Ruweida?

Please proceed, Hon. Ruweida.

Hon. Ruweida, your statement is also as general as that of Hon. Paul Kahindi. You are not giving us specifics. Remember I cautioned that Members should avoid making statements which put the House into disrepute or discredit the House. When you say that some Cabinet Secretaries were approved having not...

Hon. Ruweida, because you did not provide specifics, the statement you made that several Cabinet Secretaries have been approved without being qualified is ordered to be expunged from the records of Parliament. Otherwise, proceed to make your contribution.

Hon. Kamuren, what is out of order? Do not entrap your colleagues and debate, or to have a second bite at the cherry. That is if you have debated. It will not be fair.

Hon. Ruweida.

Hon. Mishi, under the Standing Orders, when it reaches the time for the Mover to reply, it must revert to the Mover. It is only the Mover who can donate time. The Mover has confirmed he will donate time to you. So, proceed.

Ahsante sana. Mover.

Hon. Ruweida, I hope you are listening to the Chair of the Committee on that part because you were very emotional. Chair, you know Hon. Ruweida is the only Bajuni in Parliament. So, you can easily understand her emotions. But Hon. Ruweida, listen to the Chair now.

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. For good reasons, I am not going to put the Question. The Question on the Motion will be put when Parliament next sits, possibly tomorrow or such time as the House Business Committee will schedule. (Putting of the Question deferred) Could we go to the next...

Hon. Speaker is looking at the Government side. I am still a Member of the Minority side. (Laughter)

I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for the opportunity. I would like to thank the Committee on Public Debt and Privatization for the good work they are already doing. I think this is the second Report being tabled by this Committee in barely three weeks. What I would request is...

The point I was making is that we budget and take a lot of debts, not for meaningful development programsme, but to consume and for corruption purposes. It is from the beginning of budgeting that we create that range. When Hon. Ichung’wah says we need a budget of Ksh3 trillion...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I hope my time will be restored. The other way we waste public funds and which makes us go for debts is how we jumble up Government sectors. For instance, this Government has established something called Nairobi River Commission. We also have the Ministry in charge of...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the practice and tradition in this House is that the person who is speaking completes then you can rest it. According to Standing Order 95, it is within the discretion of the Speaker to weigh whether there is still a need for contribution. I urge that you...

Thank you, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. It is now time from the Mover to reply.

Hon. Gichimu, your minutes are already running out. Proceed.

Hon. Martin Owino.

Mover, who else did you donate your time to?

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, Member for Dagoretti.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Anthony Oluoch, the Member for Mathare.

Thank you, Mover. For the convenience of the House, the Question to this Motion will be put next time the House sits. The next Order is to be moved by the Chair of the Committee on Delegated Legislation, Hon. Samwel Chepkonga. REPORT ON DRAFT SALARIES AND REMUNERATION COMMISSION (REMUNERATION AND...

Take all your time because this is a very important debate. In fact, Hon. Oluoch was trying to intervene to say that this is a critical matter that should be debated until late in the evening. He wanted you to move this important Motion tomorrow. I have requested him not...

It is always good to listen to you, Hon. Samwel Chepkonga, Senior Counsel. Hon. Gichimu is the Member for Gichugu, the Constituency which was formally led by the Deputy Leader of Azimio. We shall proceed. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Gichimu. (Question proposed) Hon. Fatuma Jehow, the Member of Parliament for Wajir County. She is not in the House. Hon. Patrick Makau, the Member of Parliament for Mavoko.

Hon. Patrick Makau, you are making your contributions as the Member of Parliament for Mavoko. Do not worry about those other big responsibilities the House has on your back. Proceed.

Is Hon. Kombe, the Member of Parliament for Magarini seeking to speak to this Motion? (Hon. Harrison Kombe spoke off record) Not today. Hon. Fatuma, the Member of Parliament for Migori County? Is she seeking to speak now or tomorrow? Certainly not today. Hon. Weytan? Proceed.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, the Member of Parliament for Seme.

It is full-time. So, the Committee and other committees of Parliament know what additional recommendations to make. Hon. Members, I extended time because I did not want to interrupt Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. Order! ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.04

Has Hon. Gonzi Rai spoken to this Motion? If you have not spoken to the Motion, as a ranking Member and on account of seniority, proceed and make your contributions.

Asante sana ndugu, Mhe. Gonzi Rai. Let us have Hon. Joseph Kahangara Mburu, the Member of Parliament for Lari Constituency.

Hon. Eric Kahugu, Member of Parliament for the great people of Mathira Constituency.

Thank you. Do we have Hon. Harrison Kombe, the Member of Parliament for Magarini in the House? You may proceed.

Thank you very much, Hon. Harrison Kombe, for those wise and well thought contributions. Do we have Hon. GG Kagombe? Is Gatundu South the Constituency of the Fourth President of the country?

Just a minute, Hon. GG Kagombe. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, I really wanted to give you the chance to make your contribution, but the systems of Parliament confirm that you had contributed to this Motion on Wednesday, 15th February. I do not know whether you could cross check. The systems indicate...

Hon. GG Kagombe, the President has dispatched these thoughts to Parliament and as Members, we can only enrich those thoughts and act if we are to deal. And not just to support because we still do not have a Bill. I will add you time. While you are on your...

Thank you very much. Hon. Gabriel Kagombe, you had risen on a point of order to ask why Question No.20/2023 by Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member for Embakasi West, was being directed to the Ministry in charge of Interior and National Administration. We have looked at the Executive Order No.1/2023 which...

Hon. (Dr.) Joyce Atieno Osogo Bensouda, you have not told the people of Kenya how Homa Bay County, which you represent, has dealt with the issue of affirmative action. I have also not heard you appreciate the fact that the people of Homa Bay have always complied with the requirement...

Thank you very much. Let us have Hon. Dr. Wilberforce Oundo, had you contributed to this Motion?

Hon. Dr. Oundo, as you are aware, those great gentle ladies that she has mentioned hold the top-level academic qualifications. She forgot to add the title Doctor when referring to Dr. Lillian Gogo, Dr. Eve Obara, Senior Counsel, Human Rights Advocate Millie Odhiambo Mabona. What she says is true. These...

Thank you, Hon. Cynthia Muge, for those submissions and contributions. Member for Mumias East, have you contributed to this Motion? You do very well outside. We want to hear you speak to it. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Peter Salasya, the great Member of Parliament for Mumias East. Does Hon. David Kiplagat want to contribute to this Motion?

Hon. David Kiplagat, you are a very informed leader. Let me pick your thoughts on some matters as you give your views on this matter. You know the much talked about recent decision by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has amended Article 27 (4) of the Constitution to say...

Thank you, Hon. David Kiplagat. I will let your last statements go because you have responded very well and in a very informative way to the initial question. You see, demonstration is a constitutional right, and it cannot be disruptive. On the right to protest and demonstrate, the leader of...

Did you call any judge of the country “a mere woman?”

Hon. Masara, I am asking about the point that was raised. Did you refer to any judge, whether in the Supreme Court or in any of the superior court, as “a mere woman?”

Hon. Masara, were you discussing the matter of woman in the context of affirmative action or what you feel about the Supreme Court’s determination?

Hon. Masara, give me a minute. I will add you time. Do not worry. Our Standing Order 87 forbids discussing the conduct of a judge and those other State Officers set therein, unless there is a substantive Motion. So, to the extent that you did, if that will be confirmed...

You have your right to contribute without undue haste on the matters, taking into account also the interruptions we have had against you. Did you say that his time is nearly up? Proceed, Hon. Peter Masara.

Hon. Masara, at some point in time, I could not remember the Motion you were contributing to towards the end. So long as you are able to connect it to the memorandum from the President, there is no objection from other Members in the House. I will let it go...

What is out of order, Hon. Masara?

Hon. Adagala, the Standing Orders require that when you begin speaking in either English or Kiswahili, you continue that way up to the end.

Hon. Adagala, you are required by the Standing Orders to substantiate some of these things. I know you are a very good friend of Hon. Masara but do not risk. If you are not very sure, please, withdraw and then we will accord you time to continue with your useful...

No, Hon. Adagala. You know how it is done. You are a very old and competent Member of the House. You know that when you withdraw, you do so unequivocally. You cannot say that you may withdraw. Could you withdraw that part so that we can continue with the substance...

Hon. Adagala, I will add you two minutes but I want to warn you from going against Standing Order No. 87. You have contradicted Standing Order 87, which prohibits you from discussing any leader without a substantive Motion.

Thank you very much, Hon. Beatrice Adagala. Hon. Rindikiri, you had contributed to this Motion. Am I right? On the memorandum by the President, I thought you did. If Hon. Rindikiri had not contributed, it would be in order to recognise and give him time to contribute.

Hon. Rindikiri, the House always benefits from your thoughtful contributions. I wanted to pick your mind on the new definition of “gender” coming from the Supreme Court. I know some Members have not looked at it but you always do – I know you have looked at it. According to...

Thank you for your wise contribution, Hon. Rindikiri. Member Kieni, do you want to contribute or have you already contributed to this Motion? Let me confirm. If you want to contribute, the microphone is already asking you to speak. Member for Kieni, forget about the card. Your microphone is on....

Thank you very much. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

Hon. Jessica Mbalu, you will have six minutes to continue with your contribution on this Motion when the House sits next time. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.01

Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. So that we can get the perspective of the other religion, may we have Hon. Mishi Mboko, the Member for Likoni and Commissioner.

Asante sana, Mhe. Mboko, kwa maono hayo. Mhe. Rindikiri Mugambi, Mjumbe wa Buuri.

Thank you, Hon. Rindikiri, for urging everybody to add their voice to this matter. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, Member of Parliament for Funyula.

Does the Leader of the Majority Party want to contribute? Proceed, Sir.

Leader of the Majority Party, would that be the Bank Robbers Association of Kenya? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA): Yes, it could be the Bank Robbers Association of Kenya. You may find rapists in future saying that they are the Association of Rapists of Kenya and have the right to...

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Farah Maalim.

Thank you, Hon. Farah Maalim. Let us have the Chairperson of the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, Hon. Gitonga Murugara, the MP for Tharaka, now that we are talking about the Supreme Court.

Thank you. Hon. Patrick Makau are you on intervention, or do you want to contribute?

Let us have Hon. Johana Ng’eno.

Hon. Jackson Kosgei, Nominated MP.

Thank you very much. Honourable Timothy Wanyonyi, the Member of Parliament for Westlands.

Honourable Yakub Adow the Member of Parliament for Bura Constituency.

Hon. Caroli Omondi, Member of Parliament for Suba South

Hon. Caroli Omondi, I will add you a few seconds. Did the Pope read Sections 162 to165 of Kenya’s Penal Code or the Pope said homosexuality is not a crime in which country? Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, 67 jurisdictions around the world have criminalised...

Hon. (Eng.) Paul Nzengu, Member for Mwingi North.

Hon. James Nyikal, Member for Seme. (Laughter)

Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya. (Loud consultations)

Let us have Hon. Julius ole Sunkuli, Member for Kilgoris.

Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Kahindi Katana, Member for Kaloleni.

Next is Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei. Let the voice of Elgeyo Marakwet be heard.

The Hon. Oscar Nabulindo.

The Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, the Member for Kisauni.

Hon. Geoffery Ruku, the Member for Mbeere North.

Go on. You have three minutes.

Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, MP for Karachuonyo. Proceed for three minutes or less.

Asante sana. Mhe. Gonzi Rai, Mjumbe wa Kinango.

Mjumbe, Robert Ngui Basil, mwakilishi wa Eneo Bunge la Yatta.

Hon. John Makali, Member for Kanduyi and a Senior Counsel.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Mjumbe wa Kericho.

Hon. Patrick Osero, Member for Borabu.

Hon. Joseph Makilap

Order, Hon. Members. The time being

Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti. He seems not to be around. Hon. John Waluke, Member for Sirisia. Is anyone interested in this Motion?

It seems no one is interested in this Motion. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Muriu. Do we have Hon. John Kawanjiku, the Member for Kiambaa?

Thank you. Hon. John Kaguchia, the Member for Mukurweini, make your contribution.

Hon. Kaguchia, I will give you two more minutes because you sound more knowledgeable. Before you go to the next point, I want you to explain to people how you can bring the Leader of the Official Opposition to the House in a presidential system where there is no opposition....

Thank you very much. Next is the Member for Ainamoi, Hon. Benjamin Lang’at on account of rank and seniority.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, the Member for Kericho. She is not here. In fact, I am told that she had contributed. Get her name out of the requests list. Let us have Hon. Charity Kathambi, the Member for Njoro. Just address the issue of gender. The other issues have been sufficiently...

The Member for Murang’a County is recognised. I am sorry. Do we have any lawyer in the House? As the Member for Murang’a contributes, I want you to begin looking at Article 38 of the Constitution so that you enrich the House when you get your chance. Proceed, Member for...

Hon. Kajwang’, what is out of order?

Hon. Kajwang’, your point of order is noted. I also know that the Member is very knowledgeable. The Member was referring to a Member who spoke from there saying, “The Opposition wants to speak.” That was the only context.

Hon. Betty Maina, you stand corrected. Currently, we do not have opposition in this House. Hon. Joshua Kimilu has been up the list of requests for very long. You may proceed. Hon. Kimilu, you do not have to spend the entire 10 minutes. Have a bite…

Hon. Japheth Nyakundi, the Member for Kitutu Chache North.

Hon. Japheth Nyakundi, which opposition are you talking about?

Hon. Caroli Omondi, the Member for Suba South is recognised.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Hon. Members, the time being 7.03

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to oppose the recommendations by the Committee on Delegated Legislation to nullify this illegal statutory instrument. We call them delegated legislations because the authority to legislate is vested in this House and not in anybody outside there. I can confirm that Article 94...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, reports are published and laid in the House before the mover initiates debate on the Floor of the House. I do not have to listen to him because I read the Report. The reference made to the Statutory Instruments Act is about a process and not a...

Thank you very much. Is Hon. Tom Odege in the House? The gentleman representing the people of Nyatike Constituency? He is not in. Let us have Hon. Caroli Omondi, Member for Suba South constituency.

Thank you very much for the informative position. Do we have Hon. Paul Biego in House, the Member for Chesumei Constituency? He has stepped out. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti?

Hon. Joseph Oyula.

Thank you, Hon. Oyula. Let us have Hon. David Mboni, the Member for Kitui Rural.

Thank you, Hon. Mboni. Next is Hon. Maina Mathenge, Member of Parliament for Nyeri Town.

Thank you very much for that informative submission. Hon. Abdikadir Mohamed, the Member of Parliament for Lagdera is in the House. Proceed.

Thank you very much. The Hon. Omboko Milemba, the Member of Parliament for Emuhaya and Temporary Speaker.

You know the best brain from Homa Bay County on matters finance is Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo. Give him a chance to contribute and tell us how much foreign debt has been used to fund what project in Homabay County. (Laughter)

Hold on, Hon Okuome Adipo. Hon. Shabbir, according to the list we have here, we have only three requests and you are on top of it after Hon. Okuome Adipo. So, prepare. We have enough time.

Thank you, Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo. The Hon. Shakeel Shabbir, the gentleman representing the people of Kisumu East, proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Shakeel Shabbir. Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu Githinji, Senior Counsel. Thank you for your patience. You have been waiting for too long.

Order, Hon. Gichimu. Did the Member for Roysambu want to contribute to this? The Member who is now going out.

Did the Member for Kieni want to contribute to this? He is speaking from within Parliament. Let him go. Proceed, Hon. Gichimu. He has been quite patient for the entire afternoon, but I do not know whether he wanted to contribute to this.

You will have two minutes ex debito justitiae as a matter of justice. I am interpreting it for the Chair of the Committee to understand. You, therefore, have two minutes from the time I finish speaking. Hon. Gichimu Githinji (Gichugu, UDA) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I was...

Thank you very much. Hon. Esther Passaris, Member of Parliament for Nairobi County.

The point has been made Hon. Esther Passaris. Let us have Hon. Gideon Ochanda, the Member for Bondo.

Thank you, Hon. Ochanda. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, Member for Migori County.

Thank you very much. I hope that will also help us to reduce our debts. There being no further contributions being sought by Members from the Floor, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you very much Hon. Chairperson. I would have put the question, but we do not have the numbers. The Motion will be put when the House sits next and the matter is scheduled for such business. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Members! The time being

Umechangia memorandum hii kwa ufasaha na uweledi bila kutambua eneo unalotoka. Ungeomba, ningekuongeza muda. Nampa nafasi hii ndugu Mheshimiwa wa Eneo Bunge la Emurua Dikirr, Mwanasheria Johana Ng’eno aendelee kuchangia kwa lugha hii ya kitaifa.

Ahsante sana, Mhe. Johana Ng’eno. We will have, on a special request, the gentleman from Ruaraka Constituency in Nairobi City County. Hon. Charles Onchoke, you are next.

It is not seeing the House but you are recognised for the points and the dimensions you are bringing in. Because of that, and reading the mood of the House and the interest that Hon. Johana Ng’eno and other Members have in the contribution you are making, I will give...

Hon. Kajwang’, just before you sit down, because you are still within your time, Hon. Charles Onchonke is also a lawyer with a finance-like mind. The Member for Narok North should also prepare in that order. I want to get your views on Article 38 (2) and (3) . I...

Thank you, Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’. Hon. Charles Onchoke, Member of Parliament for the great of people of Bonchari.

The Member who is standing between the Speaker and the Member speaking should read the Standing Orders again. You do not block the view of the Speaker from the Member speaking.

Thank you, Hon. Charles Onchoke. The gentlelady representing the great people of Narok North, Hon. Agnes Pareyio.

Order. Is that Hon. Sunkuyia? You are an old Member and you know what you should do. I will not tell you but just do it and then proceed. (Hon. George Sunkuyia went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

Hon. George Sunkuyia, the gentleman representing the great constituency of Kajiado West. You can contribute from there. This is a presidential system. You can contribute from any side of the House.

Hon. Sunkuyia, I am sorry to interrupt you. You will continue after this Communication. Sit down for a minute. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR DELEGATION FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY Hon. Members, I wish to introduce to you a delegation from the Committee on Economic Co-operation and...

Next is Hon. Titus Lotee, the gentleman representing the people of Kacheliba Constituency.

Next is the Member for Isiolo South – the Member directly opposite Hon. Lotee. Do you want to contribute? You have been recognised.

Hon. Mohamed, you decided to speak in tongues. Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, the Member of Parliament for the great people of Karachuonyo.

Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member of Parliament for Embakasi West.

Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member of Parliament for Machakos County.

Hon. Kamene, before you comment on that, because the proposal is by the President, we can enrich those thoughts and possibly come up with a Bill. How would you propose we realise the two-thirds gender rule? Do we go by what the President is proposing or do you have a...

Thank you, Hon. Kamene. Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member of the Chairperson’s Panel and Member representing the great people of Emuhaya. Hon. Omboko Milemba (Emuhaya, ANC) . Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to speak on these proposals that were sent to this House by His Excellency...

Thank you Hon. John Paul Mwirigi. Hon. Francis Kuria Kimani, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning and the Member of Parliament for the people of Molo.

Hon. Kimani, let me thank you for being here this late. When we first came to House, this is the time when the first-term Members like Hon. Omboko Milemba would be in the House honing their legislative and debating skills. They would also enrich their thoughts. We now have a...

Do not worry Hon. Kimani. My weekend is starting tomorrow in Kisii and then we will be proceeding to Kisumu on Saturday. Do not worry about those other things we do outside the House. Let us do this business.

Thank you, Chair of Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning for the enriching presentation. Hon. Paul Biego, Member of Parliament for Chesumei.

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, the Member of Parliament for Masinga. Is it possible for you to contribute within five minutes so that your brother, Hon. Abraham Kirwa also gets a bite?

Thank you, Hon. Mwalyo. Hon. Abraham Kirwa, the gentleman representing the people of Mosop Constituency.

Hon. Member, you will have seven minutes the next time this matter is put on the Order Paper for debate. Most likely that will be on Tuesday. So, make sure you are in the House at the start of the Motion. ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Members! The time being