David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng' (Ugenya, MDG) Yes.

Hon. David Ochieng' (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, thank you very much. I hold a very different view on this matter. As the Committee goes to do its job, would it also check whether it is time we examined why bhang is prevalent to other drugs? Secondly, we should examine whether...

Hon. David Ochieng' (Ugenya, MDG) Yes.

Hon. David Ochieng' (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, thank you very much. I hold a very different view on this matter. As the Committee goes to do its job, would it also check whether it is time we examined why bhang is prevalent to other drugs? Secondly, we should examine whether...

The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Thank you so much, Hon. Chairperson. Do you have something to say on this?

Ninaweza nikachanganya. The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Order! We said you have to choose the language you are going to use. We cannot do that. Go ahead and tell us what kulet down means. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Sorry about that. Just do another memo. Hon. Members, I now put the question. (Programmes 0723000 and 0746000 agreed to) (Vote 2043 agreed to) VOTE 2044 - SENATE 4th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 87

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Let us have Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) As I rise to support this, I want to bring to our attention that I have noted staff in our constituency offices do not have a health cover other than the National Hospital Insurance Fund...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal, lastly.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2026/2027 and approved the same without amendments.

The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Thank you so much, Hon. Chairperson. Do you have something to say on this?

Ninaweza nikachanganya. The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Order! We said you have to choose the language you are going to use. We cannot do that. Go ahead and tell us what kulet down means. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Sorry about that. Just do another memo. Hon. Members, I now put the question. (Programmes 0723000 and 0746000 agreed to) (Vote 2043 agreed to) VOTE 2044 - SENATE 4th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 87

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Let us have Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) As I rise to support this, I want to bring to our attention that I have noted staff in our constituency offices do not have a health cover other than the National Hospital Insurance Fund...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal, lastly.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2026/2027 and approved the same without amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Moiben, our time is almost up. I will indulge you if you can take three minutes. The Member for Turbo will follow for another three minutes. Hon. Mogaka will also have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West. Hon. Timothy Kipchumba (Marakwet West, Independent) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for granting me the opportunity to comment on the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2026/2027. From the outset, I thank the Committee for the report they have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 3rd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 74 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Published by Clerk of the National Assembly...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Which Standing Order has been infringed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adams Korir, kindly take your seat. Hon. Members, this debate will ultimately be put to a vote. Going forward, I will not allow any Member to speak and then leave the Chamber. Who will decide on the fate of the Motion once we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Vihiga County. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Mishi Mboko. You know how I chair the House. You will get a chance to speak. Let her have her time. You will get an opportunity to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! There is no Standing Order that has been flouted. Therefore, you are out of order. We will have the Member for Sotik, followed by the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka, you have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well said. The Member for Keiyo North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Turbo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point. Hon. Kaguchia, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will have Hon. Peter Orero, followed by Hon. Catherine Omanyo from this side. Then, from this other side, after Hon. Omanyo, we will move to Hon. Marianne Kitany, followed by Hon. Adams, then Hon. Sigei. Go ahead, Member for Kibra.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, that marks the end of the Third Allotted Day for debate on this particular Motion. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Proceed,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Nyatike, who will be followed by Hon. Kaguchia. Thereafter, we will come to this side.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Busia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If I remember very well, the late Hon. Malulu Injendi’s Motion was passed by the House. The Bill has not been passed. (Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu spoke off the record) Order. Hon. Makali Mulu, I will give you a chance to contribute to this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Moiben, our time is almost up. I will indulge you if you can take three minutes. The Member for Turbo will follow for another three minutes. Hon. Mogaka will also have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West. Hon. Timothy Kipchumba (Marakwet West, Independent) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for granting me the opportunity to comment on the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2026/2027. From the outset, I thank the Committee for the report they have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 3rd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 74 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Published by Clerk of the National Assembly...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Which Standing Order has been infringed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adams Korir, kindly take your seat. Hon. Members, this debate will ultimately be put to a vote. Going forward, I will not allow any Member to speak and then leave the Chamber. Who will decide on the fate of the Motion once we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Vihiga County. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Mishi Mboko. You know how I chair the House. You will get a chance to speak. Let her have her time. You will get an opportunity to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! There is no Standing Order that has been flouted. Therefore, you are out of order. We will have the Member for Sotik, followed by the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka, you have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well said. The Member for Keiyo North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Turbo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point. Hon. Kaguchia, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will have Hon. Peter Orero, followed by Hon. Catherine Omanyo from this side. Then, from this other side, after Hon. Omanyo, we will move to Hon. Marianne Kitany, followed by Hon. Adams, then Hon. Sigei. Go ahead, Member for Kibra.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, that marks the end of the Third Allotted Day for debate on this particular Motion. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Proceed,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Nyatike, who will be followed by Hon. Kaguchia. Thereafter, we will come to this side.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Busia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If I remember very well, the late Hon. Malulu Injendi’s Motion was passed by the House. The Bill has not been passed. (Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu spoke off the record) Order. Hon. Makali Mulu, I will give you a chance to contribute to this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Next Order. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF CERTAIN BUSINESS FROM STANDING ORDER 40(3) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Whip of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was finalised. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) THE PREVENTION OF LIVESTOCK AND PRODUCE THEFT BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Question put and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adagala.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mnyazi, take it up with him and his Committee and ensure that you raise it again in the first week after we come back from recess. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kassim Tandaza, what is out of order?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Sergeant-at-Arms, please, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Bell be rung for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon Members, when the Quorum Bell is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Is there any Member from that Committee? (Hon. Protus Akujah stood up in his place) Is that Hon. Akujah? Did you hear the question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon Members. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, is it the mood to put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Next Order. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF CERTAIN BUSINESS FROM STANDING ORDER 40(3) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Whip of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was finalised. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) THE PREVENTION OF LIVESTOCK AND PRODUCE THEFT BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Question put and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adagala.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mnyazi, take it up with him and his Committee and ensure that you raise it again in the first week after we come back from recess. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kassim Tandaza, what is out of order?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Sergeant-at-Arms, please, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Bell be rung for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon Members, when the Quorum Bell is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Is there any Member from that Committee? (Hon. Protus Akujah stood up in his place) Is that Hon. Akujah? Did you hear the question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon Members. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, is it the mood to put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members. Remember last week when the Cabinet Secretary for Education was here, the questions we sent him back with are the exact issues in this Motion, almost word for word. Hon. Mathenge, you were here last week and you had the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Jayne Kihara followed by Hon. Mary Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, in summary, the Leader of the Majority Party is asking whether the Ministry has lost control of school heads and principals. Can you do anything about it? Write them down. Other questions will be asked on school uniforms. Members, please, the Cabinet...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Magarini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mary Emaase said something very important. All of us know that every single year, exams are done and they are invigilated, supervised and marked. This has become a crisis every single year. Cabinet Secretary, I hope you got your answer back. The Cabinet...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, most Members have raised similar questions, so I expect a short response. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. I want to be very frank about this issue of school uniforms. It has...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, we are all in this position. The Ministry knows that this will be a crisis and money will be found. Every single year, the Ministry leaves it pending, teachers cry, it becomes a crisis and thereafter you have to look...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Emaase, do you want to speak to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, you know that that is quite unprocedural. You will have to come back. Our procedures require that when Cabinet Secretaries come, they first answer Questions that had been asked, then we proceed with supplementary questions. So, you will indulge us to deal...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kimani Kuria, no. We cannot do this. This is spent. Before you sit down, I had hoped, because this is an area in which you are well versed, that this would be a perfect example where, for the first time, Parliament, not the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kombe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, please, make it a minute so that we finish with this question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, you have 14 days. We can get an answer by next Thursday and if you need the intervention of Parliament to make the National Treasury act, please, write to the Speaker so that this is expedited. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will have two more Members: Hon. Gisairo, the Member for Busia and the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emathe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, do you want to ask a follow-up question on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Mathenge. Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline Lenguris, please, make it short so that we can have as many Members as we can.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Mishi Mboko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, this is a chance for follow-up questions on the matter of payment of invigilators, supervisors and examiners. It is not an open-ended chance. So, I would request that you ask a question related to that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly, let us have the Member for West Mugirango. Members, you will get a chance to ask your questions in the second round.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, you have heard the questions. In your response, include whether this money that you said you do not have was budgeted for. I do not agree with the issue of the Supplementary Budget. Was this included in the main budget for the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Passaris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, this matter ends there. Cabinet Secretary, take the rostrum again and give us a final decision on what is possible on uniforms, lunch, reams of paper, desks and punishment. It is not July anymore. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He has not been bashed by anybody. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, I am just following the interventions as they are. I never skip anyone. Hon. Alice Ng’anga, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Taitumu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, this was not a question in the manner you are saying. It was an issue that was raised in the plenary by the whole House. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emaase, a minute. The Cabinet Secretary has seven questions to go. So, if you do not ask on this one, you can ask on the next. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Kwenya, and then Hon Emathe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Molo. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 27

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omanyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is okay. Proceed, Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Loima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamuchomba.