Farah Maalim

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Ring the bell for quorum. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members we have quorum. MESSAGE PASSAGE OF COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO. 2) BILL BY THE SENATE The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I have a Message from the Senate. Hon Members, pursuant...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order, Hon. Chepkonga? If the microphone is not working, you can come forward.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! You do not direct the Speaker. (Laughter) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Are there any Papers to be laid on the Table of the House by the Leader of the Majority Party, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party or Whip of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) We are now in Questions. We will start with Question 015/2022 by Hon. Charity Chepkwony, Member for Njoro. We will come back to it. Member for Mwingi West, Hon. Charles Nguna, I understand that he delegated or authorised somebody else to ask the Question...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) That will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. Next Question is by Hon. Beatrice Adagala, I understand that she has delegated Hon. Joshua Mwalyo the Member for Masinga to ask the Question her behalf. Question No.038/2022 STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO DEATH...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. To be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Next Question is by the Member for Starehe, Hon. Amos Mwago. You may proceed. Question No. 039/2022 ALLOCATION OF KENYA RAILWAYS CORPORATION LAND TO MRIKITI MARKET

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. To be replied before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The next Question is by the Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu Githinji. Proceed Hon. Gichimu to ask your Question. Question No. 040/2022 DETAILS OF CONTRACTS ON TRANSPORTATION OF CARGO THROUGH STANDARD...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Next is Statements. Pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) the following Statements will be requested. Member for Kamukunji, Hon. Yusuf Hassan, where are you? Proceed....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Leader of Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Ainabkoi, Hon. Chepkonga, you have business in this industry in the sense that you are a telecommunications man. Proceed. (Hon. Johana Kipyegon spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is the point of order Member for Nyando? Did I hear you say IEBC?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Of course, and the current one. Member for Nyando you are on point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Order! Proceed Member for Moyale, Prof. Guyo Jaldesa. Do you have a problem with technology? Use the next microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. Member for Saku, Rtd. Col. Dido Raso, you can contribute wherever you are.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have Nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have Hon. Nyamai, Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have the Member for Mogotio.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Rangwe, Dr. Lilian Gogo? Is she here in the House? Okay. Let us have the Member for Igembe Central. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Wajir South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member of Parliament for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, whatever happened to your technology? Can the Clerks-at-the- 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)Table help him? Proceed, Hon. Wanyonyi, the microphone had been switched on but you switched it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I will give a chance to three more Members. I want to be gender sensitive. The lady up there, you keep raising your hand but I do not see your name here. What is your name? Proceed, Hon. Chelule. Give her the microphone. (Loud...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Lagdera. Please, do not take more than a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Sotik, a minute. He should be followed by Hon. Waqo of Marsabit, Proceed. Please give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, for your information there is a serious voting to be done on a Motion that you passed yesterday on NG-CDF and if you keep walking out, we might not have quorum and we might not be able to vote when the time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. (Dr.) Gogo, you have been called before. I do not know where you are but you better give your input in not more than a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. (Dr.) Pukose is the last one on this matter. Take note that your contribution should not take more than a minute. Hon. Waqo will go first. I had already given the Floor to Hon. Waqo. Please, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Waqo, you have half a minute and then Hon. KJ will have two minutes because he is the Chairperson of the Committee. Order, Hon. Mary.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Dagoretti South. Hon. KJ is not an official name. Proceed. Take not more than two minutes

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order. The idea is because this matter is very close to the hearts of Kenyans. The Chairperson has the responsibility of gauging the mood of the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Madam Chepkwony, please, ask your Question very fast.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. Chairperson of Committee on 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)Education, you have a response to a Statement that was sought on CBC. Could...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. Circulate it for Members to have ample time to go through and internalize it. Next Order. PUBLICATION OF REGULATIONS ON PRIVATE LAND USE AND MANAGEMENT 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)the rules and regulations for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Waqo, you have a Procedural Motion. (An Hon. Member walked across the aisle) 24th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)Order! Take your seat. It is supposed to be a bench but it is now a seat. Ordinarily,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. I will propose the Question. (Question proposed)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop. If he is not here, Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses, you may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, I have a Petition before me. Article 119 of the Constitution accords any person the right to petition Parliament to consider any matter within its authority. Further, Standing Order 225 (2) (b) requires the Speaker to report to the House any petition...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, Standing Order 226 on comments on a Petition states that: “The Speaker may allow comments, observations or clarifications in relation to a Petition presented or reported and such total time shall not exceed thirty minutes.” Under the circumstances, I think two minutes...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Where are you, Hon. John Kiarie? Order, Hon. John Kiarie! That is way out of the dress code. Can you remove what you have on your neck? I do not know what that is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Kiarie! Whereas scouts are recognised in this Parliament and in the country, and this is the mother and father of the scouts’ movement globally and Baden Powell was from here, you do not have a right again to dress like a scout...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) No, you are okay with your tie. It does not matter whether you have the pictures. Parliament recognises it as a tie and there is no distinction from one tie to the other. You re well-dressed now. Proceed, Member for Nyando.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Member for Mandera North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) That is valid information and I am sure the staff who deal with that have taken note and will work towards restoring that power. Proceed, Hon. Member for Mandera North. 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have Hon. Member for Kitui Central Dr Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Marakwet. Bowen.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Member for Central Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have the Member for Jomvu, followed by Hon. Gogo. Jomvu, Bady Bady?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Emuhaya, Hon. Omboko. Did you wish to contribute to this one?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Sorry. After Gogo. Proceed Gogo. It is my mistake.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Omboko, Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Initially, I had given the opportunity to Hon. Makilap, followed by the Leader of the Minority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Opiyo Wandayi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Sotik, Hon. Francis Sigei, followed by the Member for Kibwezi West. 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Next is the Member for Kibwezi West. Kindly take a minute because other Members want to contribute too.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members. We have run out of time. The Standing Orders are express. Please, take one minute each. Hon. Kirima and Hon. Tindi Mwale, take a minute each. (Hon. Moses Kirima spoke off the record) Member of Parliament for Imenti Central, Hon. Kirima,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Tindi Mwale, take exactly one minute. The Member of Parliament for Dagoretti, is it Dagoretti North or Dagoretti South? Take one minute, and then we come to others. Hon. Pukose, can you take half a minute?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Excellent. We can proceed after that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed, Hon. Kiarie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Pukose, and then, just for us to have gender balance, we will have Madam Nyenze as the last person. Proceed. Take just a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Madam Nyenze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The presiding officer fully appreciates the fact that there is need for the House to be allowed to ventilate on such weighty matters. The time that we are allocated through the Standing Orders is very limited. Maybe you could demand for a little more...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Under the circumstances, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, do you want to say a word

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us go on. Next Order! Hon. Osoro. Proceed PAPERS LAID

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is wrong with your microphone? Proceed. ORDINARY QUESTIONS STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS IN YATTA 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) My microphone is not working. The Question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Let us move to the next Question. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari. He has requested for the Question to be deferred. It...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Is that microphone working? Use the next one. I know you as Moria. Proceed. Question No.35/2022 STALLED CONSTRUCTION OF CAPTAIN-WANJOHI- GETA-NDUNYU NJERU ROAD IN KIPIPIRI

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Those are some of the challenges of our own way of doing things because cabinet secretaries do not come to the House. When we 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)were under the old Constitution, they were obligated...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Mary Njoroge. What is your issue, Hon. Muhia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Precisely so. Who is the Chairperson of this Committee? Hon. Members Hon. GK. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I hear it is Hon. GK. Where is he today? Hon. GK, are you in the House? (Laughter) ORGANISATIONAL AND MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE OF NEW KENYA...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) That Question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives. Hon. Gonzi Rai has demanded a Statement. Where is he?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT CHEMICAL SPILLAGE AT MELI KUBWA VILLAGE IN KINANGO

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)Where is the Chairperson,(Loud consultations) Hon. Members Juba. (Laud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) In Juba? Is any Member of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining here? Could you commit 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) He is in sports for the time being but the system is there. In any case, you are going to get those answers not from the Chairperson. It just comes in through the Chairperson as the conduit, but there is a Ministry involved. Can...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Next Order. Proceed Chairperson. Move the Motion. APPROVAL OF NOMINEES TO CONSTITUENCY COMMITTEES OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT CONSTITUENCIES DEVELOPMENT FUND

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Order! Hon. Sirma, I know you have been out of Parliament for a while. You move the Motion first before you debate it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members. The Chair has to propose the Question first. (Hon. Junet Mohamed consulted loudly) Order! Hon. Junet! (Question proposed) Hon. Members Put the Question! (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have the Hon. Leader of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I notice that there are many Members who would want to contribute to this Motion, but the rules are very clear. The Motion is proposed, seconded, then the question is proposed by the Speaker. Order, Hon. Members. You realise that the Temporary Speaker represents...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Junet Mohamed you are a very senior Member of this House. You do understand. (Hon. John Mbadi spoke off-record) Order, Hon. John Mbadi. I have a problem with the way you keep on talking very loudly across the aisle and yet, you are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Pukose. I have heard you. The National Assembly cannot transact business and contravene its own Standing Orders in the hope that another House will rectify. If that has got to be done jointly, it must have come the way the Parliamentary Service...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, you can rest assured that the Temporary Speaker will never put the Question unless the Motion itself, one way or the other, conforms to the Standing Orders. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon Farah Maalim) Can I give you the best way to do it? I will propose the question, because the Motion has already been moved and seconded. Do you get my point? Then you will move because the Motion has already been moved and seconded. I will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Okay, let me now do that. Order, Hon. Members. The Chair proposes the question. (Question proposed) The position of the Chairperson is that you have undertaken to move an amendment to this list to conform to Standing Order 259 (c) . It is also...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed, Hon. Ichung’wah. Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party. It is abundance of caution. (Laughter) 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 63

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed, Hon. Robert Mbui and second the amendment.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I still have a problem. Yes, there is an issue. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, you are supposed to have, at least, four women in that Committee. You have eleven members and a third of that should be of either gender. You cannot have more than...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Junet is on point order, Hon. Makilap. We cannot have a point of order on another point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Nyando, what is your point of order? 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 65

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Order, Member for Nyando! The rules are very clear. If it is decimal five and above of course, you round it off to a whole number. If it is below decimal five, you ignore the decimal bit. Can we allow the Leader of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order, Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, I now wish to propose the Question of the amendment to the Motion. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Members, you can now contribute to the Motion. Hon. Wandayi, as the Leader of the Minority Party, you may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Wandayi, this Motion will become “Motion as amended” once the amendment is carried. It has not been carried yet. I 23rd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 67 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)have not put the Question for agreement with the amendment. Once...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I support that. Order Hon. Members, I will now put the Question. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Question,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, there seems to be a serious challenge with quorum this morning. I direct that the Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Sergeant-at-Arms, proceed and ring the Quorum Bell for an additional...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) A moment, Hon. Members. Give me a moment to get this business. Okay, Hon. Weytan.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Bisau, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Are you still on a point of order? Let us have Hon. Gogo then the MP for Dagoretti South. Then we will take two more and proceed to the next Order. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah consulted Hon. Benjamin Lang’at)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order? Hon. Dr Gogo, order. The Leader of the Majority Party is on a point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. (Dr.) Gogo, proceed and finish your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order Member for Suna East?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Junet is on a point of order. You cannot have a point of order on a point of order. (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off record) Order, Member for Dagoretti South. You do not engage the Chair in a debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough, Member for Suna East. Hon. Kiarie, did you need to conclude beyond what you had already said? I thought you had concluded. Okay, you have one minute to conclude.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members! Hon. (Dr.) Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The last one is Dr Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Kwanza, what is burning? Proceed you are the very last one.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Kabuchai, Majimbo Kalasinga. ORDINARY QUESTIONS STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO LOSS OF MONEY BY NAKOYONJO COFFEE FACTORY IN KABUCHAI

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. The next question is by Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member for Machakos. Is Hon. Joyce Kamene in the House? Let us go to the next question. Hon. Abdul Haro,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The question is referred to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. The next question is by the Member for Teso North, Hon. Oku Kaunya. Question 9/2022 DISMISSAL OF MR GABRIEL AKIMWANARY OBASIE FROM NATIONAL INDUSTRIAL TRAINING AUTHORITY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I noticed that there is a difference between the date you read and the one that is printed. You said “2018” but the Order Paper says “19th February 2022.” Could you correct yourself?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Okay. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Labour. Member for Malava, Hon. Malulu Injendi is next. Question 11/2022 DELAYED DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS OF NG-CDF FOR 2021/2022 FY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. The next question is by the Member for Imenti North, Hon. Abdul Dawood. Abdul Dawood? The next Question is by the Member for Keiyo South, Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. The next question is by the Member for Funyula, Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo. Question 14/2022 INABILITY OF LAND AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO OBTAIN OFFICIAL SEARCHES

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Fair enough. The question is to be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Members, we will have a second and final round for those who did not ask their questions. Member for Machakos County, Hon. Joyce Kamene? Hon. Joyce Kamene? (Question...

The Temporary Speaker (Farah Maalim) Fair enough. Do I take it that the Member for Kilifi County wants to contribute to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Kisauni, Rashid Bedzimba, is next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Julius Sunkuli. Is he in the House? Hon. Member He is not here. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Dagoretti South, do you still intend to contribute to this Motion? I notice you… 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Great, Hon. John Kiarie. Is Hon. Samuel Atandi in the House? Hon. Member No. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Kuria East, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Moiben, Hon. Phyllis Bartoo, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Next is the Member for Nandi, Hon. Cynthia Muge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) We will now hear the Member for Turkana East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Gitari. Is he in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei. You have five minutes after which the Mover will be asked to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Ganze, please take exactly three minutes. He should be followed by the Member for Kwanza for three minutes then the Mover will reply. Proceed, Hon. Members.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order. Hon. Member of Parliament for Kwanza, you have exactly three minutes. I understand that Hon. KJ has decided to donate a few of his minutes to the gracious lady. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member of Kajiado County, Hon. Leah, you have two minutes that were donated to you by Member for Dagoretti South. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. (Prof.) Nyikal, you have two minutes donated by the Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. KJ.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Kesses? Hon. (Dr.) Pukosi, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Kesses, followed by the Member for Kisumu. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Shakeel Shabbir, you also have exactly two minutes. Anybody who wants something donated should consult the Chair. The donor is the Member for Dagoretti South. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Mwingi North, Hon. Nzengu, you also have two minutes donated to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit, has two minutes donated by KJ. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Kajiado North, Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo. Proceed, you have two minutes. Hon. John Kiarie, you realise you are only left with four minutes. You have donated the rest.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Dagoretti South, you realise you only had 10 minutes to reply. You have almost exhausted all of it but Hon. Temporary Speaker has added you six minutes because of the seriousness of the matter before us and because of national interest.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Standing Order 1 stipulates that anything not provided for, the Speaker can use his discretion. This is already provided for. But given that you a Chairperson of a serious Committee that concerns this very serious issue before us, I will give you exactly three...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. KJ, you can now reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, Ordinarily, the Chair would have put the Question, but because we do not have a quorum, the Question cannot be put. It can only be deferred to an appropriate date when we have sufficient quorum. Then the only business left on this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Let us have the Member for Kilgoris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order Hon. Member. The Hon. Leader of Majority Party is on a point of order. What is your point of order Hon. Ichung’wah? Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I did not want to interrupt the Member for Nyando...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order Hon. Members. I do not think the tradition has changed. We are discussing matters that concern the Armed Forces of this country which is a very powerful strategic issue. Ordinarily, if my memory serves me very right, we should have done it in...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Member! Hon. Members, for the benefit of all of you, it is of cardinal, sanctified and sacrosanct importance to respect what I told you. You cannot discuss casualties, weapons and death of our forces. Those are 9th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Memusi, I was going to give you an opportunity to contribute. Do you still insist on a point of order? Okay, proceed. What is the point of order, Hon. Memusi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) MP for Kwanza, Hon Ferdinand Wanyonyi, what is your point of order? Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon Farah Maalim) Okay. Proceed with your point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Wanyonyi. That is not a point of order. Hon Members, I am very categorical on the discussion of matters of national interest and national security. You could discuss them all, but you demand to have the Sitting be held in camera when...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order. That Standing Order applies when the debate is very much exhausted then you ask the Mover to be called upon to reply. I have given the Floor the Hon. Member for Kitutu Masaba. Proceed, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Ordinarily, when a Member rises at his place and invokes Standing Order 95, the Chair under those circumstances has to put 9th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)Question. It is the House to decide whether they want to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon Farah Maalim) Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Order, Member for Nyando! Order! Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, there were very short people speaking in the Speaker’s ear. I do not know what has happened because I kept bending. (Laughter) DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY ON SMALL AND MICRO-ENTERPRISES The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Hon. Johana Ng’eno. Is Hon. Johana...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Mandera East, Hon. Weytan, do you wish to contribute to this debate?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Is the Member for Bureti in the House? The list is here. Hon. Member for Tharaka Nithi. Hon. Member for Bureti is here. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) So, who are the Members who want to contribute on this Motion? The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (JLAC) , what is your constituency?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Okay, that is not a point of order, but your sentiments are well taken. Proceed, Hon. Member for Tharaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) I do not know.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Times have changed. I know that could have been a problem in the 10th Parliament, but I do not know if it is a problem now. I see women Members in trousers all the time here. Until such a time that the dressing code...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Funyula, and then he will be followed by the Member for South Imenti. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for South Imenti. For the benefit of Hon. Members, the Member for South Imenti is making his Maiden Speech. He cannot be interrupted. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Clerks-at-the-Table, can you confirm that we have quorum? (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) It is now working. We can now go ahead and put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (Hon. Ali Raso rose on a point of order) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Raso, what is your point of order? 26th October 2022...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! This is not a subject for debate. Hon. Aden Duale is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Garissa Township. Until such a time that a writ is received or issued by the Speaker of the National Assembly that his seat is vacant, that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members! This matter has been put to rest. Hon. Duale that was a point of information and not a point of order, but it is well in line with precedence. You will have your moment in the afternoon to give your final...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)The MP for Igambang’ombe. 26th October 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)not be addressed by Kenya Kwanza Coalition, Azimio Coalition or any other coalition, but by other leaders in this House. As we debate on these CSs, I wish that...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Laikipia North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) The Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order! Order, Hon. Members! This is the august House. For God’s sake, I have been away for 10 years but this place has to look like the august House. This is not a fish market, or ngamia market for that matter. If you have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Yegon, what is your Point of Order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members. You are supposed to freeze when the Speaker is on his or her feet. You cannot keep on talking from the sides. For God’s sake, let us protect the dignity of the House. Hon. Yegon, I agree with you. I sympathise...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Mbadi. You cannot engage with the Speaker from the benches. By the way, you have not changed. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Very well taken; noted. What is your intervention, Hon. Member for Nakuru? I was in this House when I knew everybody by his or her three names but we were only about 200 at the time. Now we are almost 400. Forgive me for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, I am a bit rusty now. Ten years away from the Chair and you forget quite a bit. If I remember very well, if it is the intention of the majority of Members of the House that the debating time for each...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Thank you, Member for Gilgil. That is very generous of you. Member for Bomet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Members! Order, Hon. Duale!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Hon. Members, we will have Hon. Mbadi, Hon. Faith of Nyandarua, the Member for Kiambaa and the Member for Manyatta, in that order. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM) Thank you. A child with C- (minus) went to medical school to do pharmacy. The then Director of Medical Services told me he would implement the resolution for one year and if the students performed poorly, he would change. Ten of the 11 top students...