George Peter Opondo Kaluma

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Julius Sunkuli. The Member for Marsabit County, Dr Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Seme, Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Makali, just before you sit, Article 40 speaks to the right to property. I am asking you this as a lawyer. One has the right to acquire, possess, abuse, misuse and dispose of property. There is also Article 68, to which you have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You have indicated that you stood as a learned person.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Kericho County, Hon. Beatrice Kemei. You look very anxious to contribute. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Mpuru Aburi, Member for Tigania East. I hear you are a squatter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Samburu County, Hon. Pauline Lenguris. Hon. Members, we have barely 10 minutes to the end of debate today. If you could use even fewer minutes, we will accommodate more.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, are you on an intervention button or you want to contribute? Can you use less than three minutes?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)(Technical hitch)Let us have the Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari. Is there a problem with the system there? It is barely audible.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Leah Sopiato, Member for Kajiado County. Let a pastoralist speak after a landlord. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 50 (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Member. The Temporary Speaker is on his feet. I am grateful, Hon. Members, for the interest demonstrated in this particular Motion. The Motion should be debated for three hours. I am informed that we have only debated it for one hour and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon Johanna Kipyegon. What is out of order, Hon. Sabina?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Sabina, I have noted your request and the submissions accompanying it. Let me allow Hon. Johana Kipyegon to complete his presentation and then I will seek the approval of the House in the direction you are seeking.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Sabina Chege had stood in her place to ask whether the Mover should be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members! I beg the Members to sit so that we can put the Question on Order No 9. Order, Whip of the Majority Party! Freeze! Who is that walking out? Freeze! Members, because you are there, there is a Question which was...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Condolences of the House are equally registered. I am sorry for the loss, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Grace Odhiambo, Senior Counsel. 15th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 110

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Milly Odhiambo. Your thoughts are always valuable. Hon. Sabina Chege, nominated MP. 15th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 111

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Just hold on, Hon. Sabina Chege. Is the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation in the House? I remember this debate was raised by the Deputy Speaker in the last Parliament, and the debate was very passionate. It is unfortunate that we are still...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) She will get a chance to speak. Take note that we want action from that Committee in terms of implementation of house resolutions. 15th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 112

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana. Mbunge wa kaunti ya Mombasa, Mhe. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana. Member of Parliament for Laikipia East. Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri. I know that only a few of us remember that you are the immediate former Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture, Livestock, Fisheries and Irrigation. Therefore, you have spoken from deep knowledge of the subject matter. Let us have the Member...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mjumbe wa Jimbo la Migori, Mheshimiwa Fatuma Mohammed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member of Parliament for Ruiru, Hon. Simon King’ara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mjumbe wa Changamwe, Ndugu Mhe. Omar Mwinyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Marsabit County, Dr. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker and Hon. Members, for the interest in the Motion. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 16th November 2022, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko, you can move to the next microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Omboko Milemba. I wish Members can take that approach because the requests are very many against the time that we have. If you can make your point in five minutes, you do not have to use 10 minutes. Can...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Runyenjes in the House; Hon. Eric Muchangi? Hon. Yusuf, Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Yussuf, for being brief. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gitaru, you should pursue such talks outside the House. Next is the Member for Masinga, Hon. Joshua Mwalyo. Is he in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. John Waweru, Dagoretti South MP.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kiarie. The Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The MP for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Lelmengit. I am only giving you two minutes. I do not know whether you will make it because the Mover has reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eric Muchangi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Where is Hon. Maina Mathenge? Is he in? He has left. So, Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. John Waweru.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Waweru. Hon. Members, I will defer the putting of the question on this Motion to an appropriate time when the House will be next siting, as requested by Hon. John Waweru under Standing Order 53 (3) . (Putting of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Those are great contributions. I hope the proponents of this constitutional amendment are taking notes. I cannot see them in the House. Are they here? They have run away. Hon. Kathambi Chepkwony.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for those passionate contributions. I hope the nation has been watching and listening to Hon. Kathambi. Is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi in the House? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Member. I will give you a minute. Hon. Gachobe,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I just wanted to notify you if you were leaving. You have waited for far for too long. You are very close to speaking. You may continue. I will add her an additional minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana. Tuendelee kwa hiyo lugha kidogo. Nataka Mhe. Rashid Bedzimba, Mbunge wa Kisauni, aendelee vivyo hivyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana, Mhe. Rashid. Tunaye Mhe. Janet Sitienei, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Turbo. Tuendelee katika Kiswahili, dada.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Sitienei Janet for those educative words and your generosity to Members. I think this is the trend we should continue with so that as many Members as possible can talk. We are honoured to be with the Chair of the Committee...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Nyoro, you did not address the House on the proposed Oversight Fund. I assume those are the matters you have indicated you could discuss with the proponents separately. We take your word seriously because when you speak, the Government is speaking. Do you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Member for Kiharu. Thank you for the good work you are doing with NG-CDF. I would request the new Members of Parliament to visit Kiharu Constituency if they want to check on how transformative to society the NG-CDF or...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for the wise counsel, Hon. Naicca Johnson. I hope the proponents of the Bill are listening. Turudi kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nampatia fursa hii Mjumbe wa Subukia, Mhe. Samuel Gachobe, azungumzie mjadala huu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gachobe, did you require more time? You were just going into a point which should be relayed more strongly than by one sentence as you are doing in a rush. Even in my constituency, students have been sent back home, majorly by extra-county...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Gachobe. Let us have Hon. Julius Mawathe, MP for Embakasi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana ndugu Mawathe kwa mawaidha hayo. Umenena vyema. Tuko na dada Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Moiben. Ni nafasi yake kunena.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Tonui, I hope our new colleagues are learning something from the old colleagues like you in terms of how we are generous with time once we put in our points. Let us have Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, Nominated Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Your nomination was truly merited. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimilu. Ndugu John Bwire, Mbunge wa Eneo Bunge la Taveta, ninaomba uturudishe kwenye lile gurudumu la lugha ya taifa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Bwire. For those who knew you before, like myself, you are a great addition to Parliament as a whole, not just the National Assembly. I wish you well as I congratulate you in this journey to join us in being...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. George Gachagua, and congratulations on your election. Let us have Hon. Yussuf Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Wajir West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Let us have the Member for Ndia, Hon. George Kariuki.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, we have less than ten minutes to go. If the next speakers could crunch time, it would help a lot. Hon. Nabii Nabwera, Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Sigor, Hon. Peter Lochakapong. 8th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 63

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Lochakapong. I am very sorry you have used only one minute. You will have nine minutes the next time the House will sit to discuss this matter. My regret is also to Hon. Edwin Gichuki. I do not know whether he is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. James Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have the Member for Kesses, Hon. Julius Rutto.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have the Member for Kamukunji Constituency, Hon. Yusuf Hassan.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Josses Lelmengit,

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Bungoma, Hon. Catherine Wambilianga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for using the least time to address the matter. Is Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member for Embakasi West, in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Magarini, Hon. Harisson Kombe. Mhe. Harisson Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kuniona. Ningependa kumpongeza Mhe. Mule na Mhe. Gichimu kwa kuileta Hoja hii ambayo inaitisha marekebisho ya Katiba ili tuweze kuiweka hazina ya maendeleo ya Maeneo Bunge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) We bypassed the Member for Igembe North. Is he in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Baringo County, Hon. Jematiah Florence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Next is the Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Maina Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. Mishi Mboko, Member for Likoni. Mhe. Mishi Mboko (Likoni, ODM) : Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Kongole kwa kupata fursa ya kutuongoza katika Bunge hili la 13. Kwanza, nawapongeza Wabunge wenzetu wawili kwa kuileta Hoja hii ya marekebisho ya Katiba...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Bomet East, Hon. Richard Yegon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member. (An Hon. Member consulted loudly) You are certainly not Hon. Irene.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Lungalunga, Hon. Mwangale Chiforomodo. I hope I pronounced your name correctly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Member for Kericho.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The interest of Members on the Motion being debated has been noted. We have few seconds to the end of todays’ session. Proceed, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Member, you will have four minutes to debate the Motion when Parliament sits next time. ADJOURNMENT 2nd November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00