Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House be amended by

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Speaker, I am only intervening because the Bill is not on the Order Paper. What I said is that the definition of the father, which we passed as the Committee of the whole House, means a male intended parent....

Hon. Speaker, I thank you. Not on the substance, but comments are being made about my absence as if Hon. Nyikal, Hon. Millie and the House did not know why I was not here. On the day scheduled for the consideration of this Bill, which was last Wednesday, we were...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank the House for considering this Bill up to where we are. I now urge the House to unanimously pass the Bill. (Laughter) (Applause) We were worried about definitions of things like “couple” in the Bill. We have now clarified them. Assisted Reproductive Technology and...

Member for Yatta.

The Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome will be followed by Hon. David Mbui and Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo in that order. Proceed, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome.

Hon. David Mboni, Member for Kitui Rural.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo, Member for Funyula, is now recognised to make his contribution.

I find it to be a contradiction. Hon. Members, I am sorry for debating. However, we have Government-owned enterprises which cannot generate any profits. We are instead budgeting for them here daily.

You only get to know about them when somebody is being appointed, and not on merit but because they are related to somebody. Why would you be against an argument that Government-owned enterprises should, in fact, be making profits to resource our budget instead of being budgeted for?

Are you standing on a point of order or a point of information?

Order, Hon. Chairman. Hon. Oundo, would you like to be informed?

Yes. Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, you can now inform Hon. Oundo.

Thank you very much, Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo. Hon. Caroli Omondi is now recognised to make his contributions.

Hon. Robert Mbui, the Deputy Leader of the Minority Party.

Thank you very much. Hon. Mary Emaase will be followed by Hon. Timothy Toroitich and then Hon. Wamuchomba. If you could try to squeeze your contribution so that the Mover replies before the end of business, it would be very good. Proceed.

Is Hon. Mulanya still in the House? Sorry, it was Hon. Toroitich. I can no longer see the counsel and the Member on the list of requests. So, Hon. Toroitich will proceed.

Hon. Muthoni Wamuchomba.

I seek the decision of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Thank you for the reply, Leader of the Majority Party. You know, I was asking myself why for instance, as a Member of Parliament you oversee all these Government-owned enterprises and interrogate them to ensure that they are operate properly but Parliament proposes a law that states when you are...

Member of Parliament of Migori County, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed sang a Luo song)

Hon. Members, we will go by the list in terms of the order of request. I have given Hon. Fatuma ‘the full network’ and the recognition she needs. Let us allow her to proceed.

Hon. Members, this is a very solemn occasion for us. Why do we not give each of us the honour to have our say, to eulogise Baba, and also save time so that we can speak as fast as possible?

Sorry, we share in your pain, Hon. Fatuma. Hon. Phylis Bartoo.

The Speaker was smiling because he could be one of the people falling under the category that Hon. Makali is talking about. (Laughter)

Hon. Kaguchia, we are talking about maternal health. But we will give Hon. Kawanjiku one minute to respond to the point of order.

Your explanation is adequate, and Hon. Kaguchia now understands. Hon. Maina Mathenge.

Hon. Esther Passaris.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

The Members speaking should

Hon. John Kaguchia.

You will have five minutes the next time this matter is scheduled for the House’s debate at Second Reading. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.01

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I register on my own behalf and on behalf of the people of Homa Bay Town Constituency my deepest and heartfelt condolences on the passing of our two former colleagues. I knew Hon. F.T. Nyammo. I remember him in the 10th Parliament, and I knew him at...

I support the proposed amendment by the Chairman of the Committee. I ask that we look at Clause 16 (1) , which is being amended with the definition of licence. Under Clause 2, “licence” is defined to as a virtual asset service provider licence. So, we cannot repeat “virtual service...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the proposed amendment to Clause 25 (b) but I do not agree with the proposed amendment to clause 25 (a) . This is because, in Clause 2, the abbreviations therein are not defined, unless they are proposed to be defined in the committee's amendment. What...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the amendment. It appears that Clause 35 was drafted by a person who works or has previously worked in a judicial office. In legal drafting, we do not start a legislation with obligations by using the words “for avoidance of doubt”. We go directly to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, the power to make law lies with this House. In very specific cases, Parliament can donate that power to regulation-making authorities. Clause 50 (1) of the Bill already gives a general power. In terms of the proposed amendments to Clause 50(2), which I support, is that being...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I oppose this particular amendment. I do so on a number of reasons. First, in Clause 6, the relevant regulatory authorities stated are the Capital Markets Authority (CMA) , Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) and any other public body established under written law that the Cabinet Secretary...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I know that when opposition is reasonable, the Chairman of my Committee will act accordingly. What is being proposed here is for purposes of tracing and determining due taxes. It is being proposed that there are circumstances where the Cabinet Secretary can decide, without any defined criteria...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, in Clause 6 (c) of the Bill, even where other authorities or bodies may be designated, there are conditions clearly attached. One, the bodies that may be so designated shall be public bodies. A public body is a condition and there is a reason for that. These...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I have dealt with very many cases where people have been killed casually and families destroyed by such a leeway. I request that we drop this proposed amendment or put the Question. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Hon. Kimani, I know you are not a...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, on point of information. The last member of the Board of the CBK was weak in many areas. The only reason we approved him was that he was an expert in the digital and virtual assets space. That is why we are being clear on public institutions....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I thought the amendment was being moved by the Chairperson? The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Hon. GK, what happened? You are supposed to move an amendment on this.

I concede the amendment is necessary for clarity. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 3 as amended agreed to) Clause 4 The Temporary Chairman...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, Hon. George Kariuki and Hon. Kuria Kimani consulted loudly) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Order, Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. George Kariuki and Hon. Kuria Kimani. I want to thank the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, when I was moving this Bill, I said that it ideally falls under the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. I thank the Chair for rationalising the sharing percentages to realign with the new road categories created, for example, the LM. My request is that both this...

In respect of the Virtual Asset Service Providers (Amendment) Bill, Chairperson to report to the House.

The Mover to move agreement with the report.

Hon. David Mboni.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Mangale Chiforomodo. He has stepped out for other duties. I will defer further consideration of the Bill including putting of the Question, to the future. (Putting of the Question deferred) CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE KENYA ROADS (AMENDMENT) BILL

Mover, move for the agreement with the report.

Hon. Komingoi.

Do you have any contributions? I can see Hon. Chiforomodo’s intervention, but he has stepped out for other duties. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the lead Clerk-at-the-Table) There are situations where the phrase “for the avoidance of doubt’’ applies. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I will defer further...

Hon. Adan Keynan is recognised to contribute.

Hon. David Kiplagat, Member for Soy.

Hon. (Dr) Phylis Bartoo. Hon. Members, because of time, compress your contributions.

Hon. Denar Hamisi.

Hon. Gideon Ochanda is recognised to make his contributions.

Hon. Members, I wish to introduce to you a delegation comprising Members from the Parliament of Malaysia, who are seated in the Speaker’s Row. The delegation Members are: (Applause) Hon. Members, the delegation is accompanied by five members of the secretariat from the High Commission of Malaysia in Nairobi and...

Let us proceed as donated. I thought you were going to donate two minutes to some Members to make meaningful contributions. Give Hon. Caroli Omondi the microphone.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Phelix Odiwuor.

Hon. Julius Taitumu.

Hon. Eric Muchangi. It is regrettable; I thought you would have 10 minutes.

Hon. Mary Emaase.

Hon. Kakai Bisau.

Hon. Lillian Siyoi.

Mover, you barely have one minute to reply.

Order! Hon. Members, I confirm that we have the requisite quorum to transact business. I know that Hon. Ndindi is a ranking Member. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party, for those clear contributions. Hon. Members, allow me to welcome a group of students visiting the House of Parliament. They are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. This is Metkei Girls High School from Keiyo South, Elgeyo Marakwet County, represented by six top-performing students....

Thank you very much, Hon. Ng’elechei. The students are welcome to this House, where we make laws, oversight the Government, and budget for the country. Hon. Benjamin Lang’at will now proceed.

Hon. CPA Julius Rutto.

Whip of the Majority Party, Hon. Silvanus Osoro.

Next is the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Mwengi Mutuse. Before you make your contributions, I would like to welcome students from Kithimani Primary School, Yatta Constituency, Machakos County, who are present in the Public Gallery this afternoon to observe our Proceedings. You are welcome. (Applause)

Order, Hon. Members. This decision is yours to make, not the Speaker's. Hon. Marianne Kitany, who rose under Standing Order 95, has requested that a question be put; that the Mover be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)...

Mover, the Leader of the Majority Party.

Proceed.

Order, Hon. Members. (Question proposed) Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. David Mboni from the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Members, let me interrupt the proceedings to welcome students and teachers from Enoosagami-Wuas Primary School, from Narok South Constituency, Narok County, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to the National Assembly to observe the proceedings during their learning tour. This is the House where laws...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro is recognised to make his contribution.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Cynthia Muge

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo, Senior Counsel.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo, you know, whenever you speak, the House goes quiet. Is there business that can be transacted by Parliament that does not involve public participation if we consider the provisions of Article 118?

It will constrain Parliament in terms of time, but it cannot take away the obligation imposed on Parliament by Article 118, which I may read. I will freeze your time:

Hon. (Dr) Otiende, I will not freeze your time, but I will add more time.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo, I will allow that only because you were in the Committee of Experts; otherwise, you owe the Mover no obligation of education. So, proceed.

Hon. (Dr) Amollo, you are understood. In fact, you are saying the same thing as the Mover, except you are speaking at cross purposes. You see the Mover is saying...

The Mover is saying, if I understood him well, that while the least public participation is provided for in Article 10 as a national value, the Constitution specifically mentions it for Parliament, but does not for the Executive. The Mover is saying, for the Executive, the Bill may need to...

Hon. (Dr) Amollo, how long do you need?

Thank you, Hon. Amollo. The business of the House is determined by the House Business Committee and there is something called Supplementary Order Paper. So, we must always be vigilant. Hon. Benjamin Lang’at will now speak.

Order, Members. The Mover, the Leader of the Majority Party, takes seriously the last point raised by Hon. Amollo. By the way, I know some amendments speak to it in terms of realigning those provisions. Hon. Amollo, also look at the distinction between the privatisation proposal and the privatisation programme...

Hon. Marianne Kitany, do not run far from your seat.

Let us be fair to Hon. Joseph Oyula. The Members of Parliament for Tetu and Hon (Dr) Makali Mulu will follow Hon. Joseph Oyula. You are Dr Makali Mulu. Give them the microphone in that order.

Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto, Member of Parliament for Tetu Constituency.

I apologise, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu. I confused you with Hon. John Makali.

Just take your seat. By way of practice, Hon. Makali Mulu will first conclude his contribution and then I will remit your request to the House for a decision. Proceed, Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Makali, you may be right but Parliament has already made a decision on the matter. That decision may have been made because of several issues, including the one you are talking about. I want to discourage you from seeking to review a decision properly made by Parliament.

Hon. Makali Mulu, you have done very well. However, the point I am making is that it is wrong for Members of Parliament to cast aspersions on the procedures that Parliament uses to transact its business. This is not the first time the matter of privatisation has come to this...

Your time is up. Hon. Makali Mulu, you have not requested for time. If you had, I would have made a decision on it. Hon. Members, Hon. Jerusha Momanyi, standing in her place, moved that the Mover be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to...

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Kajwang’ and Hon. Nyikal, I put the question and paused to listen carefully. I heard two Members who were very loud, but there were more Members for the “Ayes.”

Leader of the Majority Party, there is an Adjournment Motion which was allowed.

Hon. Members, I confirm that the House has quorum to transact business. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) Next Order. (Loud consultations)

Hon. TJ Kajwang’, sit down so that I make necessary consultations.

Are any Members calling for a division? Wait for a minute so that I consult. (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the lead Clerk-at-the-Table) Hon. Kajwang’, kindly approach the Chair. (Hon. TJ Kajwang’ approached the Chair)

Take your seat, Hon. Mawathe. (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table and Hon. TJ Kajwang’) (Several Hon. Members stood in their places) Take your seats, Hon. Members. (Hon. Julius Mawathe spoke off the record) Hon. Mawathe, it is disorderly conduct to raise a point of order incessantly. I want...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a very important Bill. I second it since the House has gone through it in detail due to the other pending businesses we have. (Question proposed) (Hon. Julius Mawathe stood up in his place)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I go into the meat of the Report, on behalf of the area Member of Parliament Hon. Andrew Okuome Adipo, let me welcome the students who have come all the way from Karachuonyo to observe the proceedings of Parliament. My grandmother, Margarita Owuor, is Nyar Karachuonyo....

You keep quiet! There are times when we are talking serious things. Hon. Temporary Speaker, when something is working, let us say it is working. When there are teething issues and problems to be addressed, let us address them. The people in this Report who keep saying we should go...

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, do you want to contribute to this?

Hon. Caleb Luyai, do you want to contribute to this? Is that Hon. Beatrice? Do you want to contribute to this?

Proceed. You are the last one to contribute because after you, there is no interest shown to debate this matter further. The Mover should be ready to reply. Proceed.

Hon. Caleb Luyai will now reply.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR THE WATER SECTOR TRUST FUND

Order, Hon. Fatuma. I know you moved the Motion, but I am informed that you did not do it in the required format. For the avoidance of doubt, kindly move the Motion as per procedure, and then continue with the debate.

Order, Hon. Fatuma. Just read the Motion as it is on the Order Paper. I know you want to recast our style as a linguist from the lakeside, but just bear with the traditions of our procedures and read the Motion as it is on the Order Paper. You may...

Hon. Kajwang’, I have not seen the Member for Migori County read anything. As long as the Speaker has not seen anything, the Member for Migori County will proceed in the manner she deems fit to move the Motion. Proceed, Hon. Fatuma.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’, Member of Parliament for Ruaraka, do you want to contribute to this?

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

Thank you, Hon. Wangwe. Hon. Zamzam Chimba, the Member for Mombasa County.

There is a single interest, Hon. Mary Emaase.

That being the last request to speak to this Motion, the Mover will now reply.

The request is granted. The putting of the question to this particular Motion stands deferred to the future when the House Business Committee will schedule the matter again for the consideration of the House. (Putting of the question deferred) Hon. Members, before I call the next Order, allow me to...

Hon. Wangwe, you can inform Hon. TJ Kajwang’.

Hon. TJ Kajwang’ did you imply that the Central Bank of Kenya is under the influence of a son of Homa Bay? Is that so? Yes, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. What is out of order?

Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, is there any matter that is out of order?

Lastly, let us have Hon. Zamzam Chimba. I hope you will address whatever you want to address in Kiswahili.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF THE SEVENTH REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR SELECTED STATE CORPORATIONS Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture on its examination (Motion deferred)The Mover of the Motion under Order 13 has requested that we defer it. It is deferred to a future date for consideration by the...

Yes, thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have listened carefully to the contributions made by the Members on this Bill. I thank them for the useful contributions they have made to elaborate the importance of this law being passed. There have been two worries which I want to allay. One,...

On a point of order. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : What is your point of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Temporary Chairman, listening to Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce, is he, by any chance, suggesting that Hon. Daudi is a terrorist? If he is doing so, he has to withdraw the...

Can the Temporary Chairman report to the House on the President’s Reservations to the Cancer Prevention and Control (Amendment) Bill? (Hon. Naomi Waqo spoke off the record) The Temporary Chairman was Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Mover, move for the agreement with the report.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Is it the mood of the House that I put the question?

Hon. Members, I hope the House understands the import of that resolution. Just for the record, it means that since the House has agreed with the President’s Reservations to the Cancer Prevention and Control (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.45 of 2022), that Bill is lost. We essentially deleted all...

Mover, move for agreement with the report.

Hon. Kiarie John.

Hon. John Kiarie.

Hon. Zamzam.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi is recognised.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo, you will withdraw the part of your contribution which imputes a belief only known to yourself.

Hon. Members, can I now put the question?

Order, Hon. Omboko Milemba. The question will be put while you are silent. Hon. Members, I have confirmed that the House has the requisite quorum for purposes of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) THE PRESIDENT’S RESERVATIONS ON...

The Mover to move agreement with the report.

Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Hon. Samuel Atandi on behalf of the Mover of the Bill to move agreement with the Report.

Hon. Adan Keynan.

Does Hon. Joseph Denar want to speak to this? He is absent. Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga, do you want to speak to this? (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia shook his head in the negative) Is it, therefore, the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Question put and...

Hon. Keynan.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, you wanted speak to this. (Hon. Beatrice Elachi shook her head in the negative) Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Hon. Members, I have confirmed that the House is properly constituted for purposes of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Thank you very much, Hon. Members, for that part of our House Business today. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, regarding...

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy and Irrigation. Is the Vice-Chairperson in the House? Do we

Hon. Machele, you will have the response to your request for statement in two weeks’ time.

That is satisfactory. The next request for statement is by Hon. Phelix Odiwuor, Member for Lang’ata, directed to the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation. PROVISION OF AN EXPRESS COUNTER ON E-CITIZEN PLATFORM

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation.

Hon. Phelix Odiwuor.

Hon. John Kiarie, the request by Hon. Jalang’o looks reasonable. Can this be done within a week?

Hon. Phelix Odiwuor, within two weeks includes a day after today. You will get the response as soon as it is ready. I know you agree that is reasonable now.

Thank you, Hon. Phelix Odiwuor. Work closely with Hon. John Kiarie. I know you come from the same county. Work together and reach the end you intend to achieve in public interest, so that they move forward jointly. IMPLEMENTATION OF LAST MILE CONNECTIVITY IN TARBAJ CONSTITUENCY The next request for...

The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Energy. That is Hon. Gikaria, Member of Parliament for Nakuru Town. Vice-

Hon. Jematiah.

Let me allow two more Members who always attend our proceedings to say something before I give my ruling. Then, we shall proceed. Hon. Basil.

Do we have any Committee Chairperson who is a first-term Member of Parliament in the House? None is present. By the way, this is the first Parliament where first-term Members of Parliament have been made Chairpersons and yet, even them they are absent. Hon. Caleb Amisi.

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Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to commit on behalf of Hon. Chairpersons?

Before you commit, let me say something. Hon. Members. I have been here since the 11th Parliament and at no start of any parliamentary proceedings did we ever lack quorum. In the 12th Parliament, I sat in this Parliament for five years with Hon. T.J. Kajwang’, Hon. Keynan, Hon. Mutunga,...

Hon. Oundo, deal with any germ that would prevent your elevation. Hon. KJ, why do you not allow Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo? There is nothing out of order. Okay, what is out of order?

The correction is noted. I do not believe the Leader of the Minority Party wants to say more.

Thank you, Leader of the Minority Party, for the caution that leaders must always be in attendance. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Communicate to the Chair of the Committee that the House will be expecting the response in two weeks. Request for statement by Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member of Machakos County, to the Departmental Committee on Health. Do we have the Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson or any Member of the Departmental Committee on Health...

Hon. Naomi Waqo. You know you can be in the House but away from the House. Can you tell us when the Departmental Committee on Health will respond to the statement request by Hon. Joyce Kamene?

Hon. Kamene, you will get your response on this important request for statement within two weeks. Let us go to request for statement by Hon. Umur Kheir Kassim, Member of Parliament for Mandera County to the Departmental Committee in Charge of Transport and Infrastructure. DISCRIMINATORY PASSENGER CLEARANCE PROCESSES AT JKIA

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House? What about the Vice-Chairperson? Any Member of the Committee? Yes, Hon. TJ Kajwang’.

Hon. Naomi Waqo, the responsibility to the House falls on you again.

Communicate to the Committee that the House will expect a response to this important request for a statement within two weeks. We do not want any section of Kenya's population to be discriminated against in terms of any national issue. We have responses to various statement requests. Response to statement...

Hon. Keynan.

Hon. John Mutunga, how long do you need to get this response? This National Assembly will not allow any Ministry or any public official to dismissively respond to any issue concerning any region or any part of this country. Now that you agree there is no response to the questions...

This House will be expecting your response. If you need the assistance of Parliament to do all that you need to do, including invocation of Article 125 of the Constitution, please approach the offices of Parliament for assistance. We need a substantive response to the questions by Hon. Adan Keynan...

Could I confirm whether the responses by the Ministry of Education to the questions by Hon. (Dr) Oundo Ojiambo and Hon. Josses Lelmengit are available and ready? What is it on that issue?

Thank you, Hon. Timothy Toroitich. Hon. Mutunga, as I was saying, as a seasoned Member and Chairman of this important Committee, you know everything you need to do to ensure that the issues Hon. Adan Keynan raised are duly responded to. If they give you a response, do not wait...

What are you saying to the nation? What was the contract price for the project? What were the contractors demanding as their payment for the variations?

Hon. Wangwe, it is always a pleasure to preside when you are moving a Report. I wish all Audit Committees are like this. I know all the Members who have been with you in this Report and the previous one can agree with you without much debate, including Hon. (Dr)...

Under the Departmental Committee on Administration and Security, we budgeted Ksh400 million to build that facility. That thing cannot be beyond Ksh400 million. It is complete and ready. Remember, in terms of implementation, we were questioned why we contract private individuals when we have Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) engineers who...

Yes, Hon. Martin Owino.

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Martin Owino, you will have nine minutes to second when the matter is next listed to be transacted by the House Business Committee (HBC) . Hon. Members, the time being 7.03 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 24th September 2025, at 9.30 a.m. The House...