Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Hon. Members, we can have debate even in the Committee. We can shorten the time for comments and reduce contributions so that we proceed with the Committee of the whole House. We will still have the opportunity to make our contributions. Hon. Dido Raso.

Thank you, Hon. Dido Raso. Next will be Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu. Hon. Members, since we are dealing with the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, it would be good that you also read to the public what each county is getting. Read what each got last year so that the...

Let us have Hon. Wangwe.

Hon. Wangwe, you have no powers to call the Mover to reply. (Laughter) As per procedure, I want to put the Question that the Mover be called to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] THE COUNTY ALLOCATION OF REVENUE BILL

The Chairlady to report to the House.

The Mover, move agreement with the Report.

Mover.

There is no interest. Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Hon. Members, I have confirmed that we have quorum in the House for purposes of making a decision. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. Second Reading THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO. 2) BILL Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee,...

Hon. Kangogo Bowen, what is out of order?

(Bill deferred)Hon. Kangogo Bowen, the request has been made to the Speaker. We cannot replace the Speaker in deciding it. The Speaker will accede to your request, hoping that the next time this particular matter is listed, it will be transacted, due to the seriousness of the issue it deals...

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

I will give Members who would like to contribute to this Motion the opportunity to do so. I would first like to commend the Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. Never, while presiding, I have seen a Motion so well moved in detail and...

Hon. Njeri Maina, permit me to intervene in your contribution and welcome a visiting institution, seated in the Public Gallery. Hon. Members, in the Public Gallery, we have students of Chemalal Sunshine Academy Primary School from Konoin Constituency in the great Bomet County. On my own behalf and that of...

Thank you, Mutungati. Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, who is the Member for Buuri, will now speak.

Hon. Eric Muchangi, my silence means that I have not recognised you. You will remain quiet until I do so. If you continue, the consequences are also in the Standing Orders.

Hon. Joshua Kimilu is now recognised to make his contributions.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, you know in law there is a doctrine called res ipsa loquitur. Hon. Njeri Maina will tell you what it means but the last time I remembered, we were told it means that facts speak for themselves. Hon. Joshua Kimilu has said you are black and from...

Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Omboko Milemba, you seem to be satisfied. We shall proceed to the next Statement by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation. This is a statement request by Hon. Paul Abuor, Member for Rongo. Where is he? Where is Hon. Paul Abuor, Member for...

Hon. Abuor can be informed to get that response.

Hon. Gonzi Rai, I cannot see the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Hon. Martha Wangari can represent the Chairman.

Okay. By Thursday, but that means that if it is ready on Tuesday or Wednesday, it can still be tabled. I hope that is satisfactory, Hon. Gonzi Rai. DISAPPEARANCE OF MR REUBEN BARUA IN USA

Thank you, Hon. Martha Wangari. I hope the students work hard as you do. All those students are welcome to the National Assembly, over which Hon. Martha Wangari presides, to observe the proceedings. We wish you well in your studies. The next request for statement is by Hon. Peter Masara...

Hon. Peter Masara, are you satisfied?

Hon. Peter Masara, you have raised critical matters concerning the education sector. Let me just indicate that the substantive Speaker has already directed that the Cabinet Secretary for Education will be in the House tomorrow to address that matter of capitation and the other one. Therefore, because we will be...

I cannot agree more, Hon. Peter Masara. Hon. Kangogo Bowen, what do you want to add to his sentiments?

I thank you. Hon. Members, let us leave it at that. Hon. Wangwe, do you want to say something? I want you to say what you want to say after I recognise a number of institutions in the House. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have Naramat Junior School from Kajiado...

Thank you, acting Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. Clive Gisairo. Let the issue of capitation together with the matter concerning the travel of our students and pupils to Meru National School be addressed by the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Education tomorrow. Do we have the response...

Okay. Hon. Stephen Mogaka, let me recognise the institutions that are seated in the Public Gallery before you confirm whether you need any further clarification. We have Balek ‘B’ Secondary School from Bomet Central Constituency, Bomet County and St Mary's Primary and Junior School from Matayos Constituency in Busia County....

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development, I direct that Hon. Mogaka appears before the Committee

Hon. Mogaka, would that be satisfactory so that the matter is interrogated in totality?

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, I request that you all appear before the Committee, so that we deal with the remaining requests for statements and proceed to the main business. Give Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi the microphone for a minute.

(Hon. Liza Chelule spoke off the record)Thank you, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development… Order, Hon. Liza Chelule. I am addressing the Chairman. I direct the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development to convene a meeting within a month to conclusively address...

Hon. Mishi Mboko had requested for a statement from the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Please address the status of the upgrade of the Likoni Ferry Crossing. Is Hon. Mishi Mboko in the House? She also serves as a Commissioner. Whoever is representing the Chairman of...

Hon. Mishi Mboko, I will come back to you after I welcome several institutions that are visiting the National Assembly. In the Public and Speaker's Gallery, we have Kapsabet Boys Junior School from Chesumei Constituency in Nandi County. We also have a school for which everything should stop when they...

Why are all lady Members requesting to welcome students when we have very substantive business to transact? Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda, are you standing up to welcome Ogande Girls because it is the school of Dr Ida Betty Odinga or because it is the best school of the Temporary Speaker?

So that the boys in the House do not feel left out, let us hear Hon. Caroli Omondi. Female Members in the House forget that boys are also in the Speaker’s Gallery. Could you welcome them to the House?

Hon. Passaris, I know you will not forgive me if you do not welcome Ogande Girls High School to Nairobi, your county. Please do so in exactly a minute, so that we can go back to business. Thank you.

Hon. Caroli, what is out of order.

Hon. Passaris, correct your statement and conclude.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, what is out of order?

Hon. Caroli, proceed.

Hon. Millie, never seek such clarification. In law, we have a doctrine called res ipsa loquitur, meaning the facts speak for themselves. From the very moment we saw Hon. Caroli excited, we knew he had some special relationship with Ogande Girls High School. Hon. Esther Passaris, conclude. We want to...

Thank you all Members who have welcomed all the visiting institutions to the House. On my own behalf and on behalf of the National Assembly, I welcome them again and wish them well as they engage in their study tour. (Hon. Jerusha Momanyi raised her hand) Hon. Momanyi Jerusha, the...

Those who have questioned why Clause 9 states what it does, consider the insights provided by Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu. There is significant land acquisition and reclamation required to achieve our intended goals. Next is Hon. Robert Basil.

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

Hon. Julius Melly, Member of Parliament for Tinderet.

Hon. Eric Muchangi, Member for Runyenjes.

Hon. Harold Kipchumba Kimuge is recognised to make his maiden speech.

Hon. Rashid Bedzimba.

Hon. Mishi Mboko. May I request that we conscript.

Hon. John Kaguchia.

Hon. Moses Kirima, followed by Hon. Mark Mwenje, then the Mover will reply.

Hon. Mark Mwenje, you can now make your contribution.

There being no more interest from Members to contribute to the Bill, the Mover will now reply.

Under Standing Order 1, the Temporary Speaker grants you leave to say something. However, that is not the practice. You can proceed. Give him the microphone.

Mover.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR SELECTED STATE CORPORATIONS Mover.

I am looking at the clock and I am worried we may not complete moving the Motion. You have consumed five minutes of your time. You will have the balance of time when the business is next scheduled in the Order Paper. Is this an ordinary Motion? The clock is...

Order, Hon. Members. The time being

Hon. Speaker, I tried to catch your attention while Hon. Mbeyu was speaking. The matter under discussion is very serious. We are talking about criminals defiling children and engaging in gender-based violence. However, Hon. Mbeyu made a statement that is shifting blame from the criminals, whoever they are, to the...

Let me interrupt proceedings to welcome visiting schools to the National Assembly. In the Public Gallery are pupils and students of SDA Kapkeringon Comprehensive School from Mosop Constituency in Nandi County. They are welcome to the National Assembly to observe proceedings. (Applause)

The Chairman of the Departmental Committee, are you able to seal those information gaps or we direct a different approach to dealing with the issue?

Hon. Munyoro, that would be a good way to deal with it; in better detail with the relevant officers present.

Hon. Kangogo, when would you like to get those members of the Executive in a sitting with the Committee members and Hon. Munyoro?

Hon. Kangogo, schedule that meeting and invite the relevant members of the Executive and ensure that Hon. Joseph Munyoro is in attendance so that the matter can be addressed in a more conclusive way.

Your responsibility is discharged.

Yes, the advice is taken. Can we have the response to Hon. Charles Onchoke? The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, do you have the response? DRUG AND SUBSTANCE USE AMONG UNIVERSITY STUDENTS

I do not have information from the Clerk on that response. Therefore, under the Standing Orders, it will stand dropped because Hon. Charles Onchoke is clearly not in the House. (Request for Statement dropped) Could we have the response in relation to the request by Hon. Joshue Kandie. Is he...

That is fine. You can table the document. Hon. Kandie and any other Member interested to see what the response is can pick it from the Table Office. There is another Request for a Statement by Hon. Joshua Kandie. Who is representing the Departmental Committee on Education?

Is it the one you have just tabled? Okay, I have noticed that Hon. Joshua Kandie is captured here twice. So, the response can be picked from the Table Office as directed by Hon. Joshua Kandie. Next is the response to the request for a Statement by Hon. Irene Kasalu....

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, I have issues with that response. I hope you also note that there are issues… (Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo and Hon. Rozaah Buyu walked out of the Chamber) I wish all Hon. Members, more so, Senior Counsel Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo, I see walking out would listen...

Hon. Members, at the very heart of this request is whether hospitals where any person dies can hold the body as security pending payment of hospital bills. I requested Hon. (Dr) Amollo to step back not just as a senior counsel but also because I remember a short while back,...

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Verbatim text unavailable — read this contribution in the official Hansard.

Thank you Hon. Jaldesa. Lastly, Hon. Caroli Omondi, Hon. Gichimu, and Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. One minute each.

Hon. Caroli Omondi, let me interrupt you.

I would like to acknowledge an institution I see in the Speaker's Gallery. They are actually leaving. Let them not leave before they are recognised. Let them return so that we may recognise them before they leave. In the Speaker's Gallery, we have students from Thow Kingly School, Nakuru Town...

Hon. Gichimu, Senior Counsel.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, I will give you a minute.

Hon (Dr) Nyikal.

When are you directing the body to be released? That is all I want to hear. As I mentioned, this is a matter that the High Court of Kenya has already ruled on: you cannot detain a body. I am a bit passionate about this matter. During the COVID-19 period,...

I thank you, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. Because of this exceptional matter, if this body will not have been released by Tuesday, Hon. Kasalu, at the right time during the proceedings, rise up so that we can follow through this undertaking made on behalf of the hospital by the Chairman of...

Thank you. Next Order. APPROVAL OF THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (PUBLIC OFFICERS MEDICAL FUND) REGULATIONS, 2024

Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo

Hon. Anthony Aluoch, Counsel, you are next.

Hon. Andrew Okuome, Member for Karachuonyo proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Okuome. Next is the Member of Parliament for Embu County.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member of Parliament for Buuri.

Thank you, Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi for those passionate contributions. There being no more interests, the Mover will now reply.

Thank you, Hon. Robert Gichimu. The Question to this Motion stands deferred to the future when the House Business Committee will next schedule it for consideration by the House. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADOPTION OF FOURTH REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF SELECTED STATE CORPORATIONS Committee on Social...

Hon. Oundo, we are on Order 17, the Motion on consideration of the report on the examination of financial statements of the selected

Thank you for drawing that to our attention. I understand you to be saying that what appears on our digital system differs from the printed Order Paper. That will be followed up by the Information and Communication Technology Department. We will proceed using the printed Order Paper. We shall proceed...

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Julius Ole Sunkuli will take precedence.

Hon. Timothy Toroitich, the Member of Parliament for Marakwet West.

Hon. Anthony Oluoch, Member for Mathare.

The Member for Embu County, Hon. Double N.

The question is, who owns the cities? The citizens or the vehicles? Let us be upstanding Members. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.06

Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, let me interrupt your contribution for a minute to welcome students from a number of schools, who are on a visit to the National Assembly. In the Speaker’s Gallery this morning, we have students from Chemichemi ya Tumaini School from Kibra Constituency in Nairobi County and Kwanza...

Hon. Tim, before you proceed, somebody has said that Hon Ferdinand Wanyonyi is out of order. He is certainly not out of order when the name of the school is in Kiswahili. The school is called ‘Kwanza’ to mean the number one girls’ school in the country. It is a...

Give Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi the microphone.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, you only spoke about our beautiful girls from Kwanza Primary School in Kwanza Constituency, yet I had given you an opportunity to welcome both institutions. I would be remiss if I did not give Hon. Orero the chance to welcome the students from Chemichemi ya Tumaini Primary...

Hon. Tim Wanyonyi now has five minutes to conclude his contribution.

Hon. Caroli Omondi, do you want to speak on the Bill or you are waiting for the next business?

Thank you. Hon (Dr) James Nyikal, do you want to speak to the Bill? Hon. Sabina Chege, are you proposing that lactating Members of Parliament will also have space to breastfeed within the House? I believe that is what Clause 3 of your Bill means. The Speaker will be very...

Hon. Mary Emase is recognised to make her contributions to the Bill but, first, let me welcome to the National Assembly, students and pupils from Kiamani Primary School, from Kitui West Constituency, the great Kitui County, which will be hosting Mashujaa Day celebrations this year. You are welcome to the...

Hon. Emaase, thank you for that reminder to fellow Members. Before you proceed, let me also, on behalf of the Hon. Speaker and the House, welcome the students who are seated in the Speaker's Gallery, from Arokyet Girls High School in Bureti Constituency, Kericho County. (Applause)

Hon. Emaase, before you conclude, knowing what the Constitution says in Article 53 (2) regarding the best interest of a child, assuming that you are making your contribution as you are doing now and your child outside the Chamber is crying, wanting to be breastfed. What would you recommend the...

I am talking of the child crying while you are contributing, like now. Do we allow the child into the Chamber to breastfeed as it happens in other jurisdictions?

Thank you. Hon. Johana Ng’eno will clarify that point as he makes his contribution.

Hon. Basil will contribute after Hon. Agnes Pareyio from Narok North. This is on account of gender considerations. Before that, allow me to welcome visiting institutions to the House of Parliament. Hon. Members, we have, in the Public Gallery, students and teachers from Mutus Mixed Secondary School, in Mbeere North...

Thank you, Hon. Pareyio, for your contribution and the good community service that you have been doing around issues concerning the family. Hon. Basil is now recognised to contribute.

Hon. Basil, in our African culture, especially with regard to men, we never count our children. I do not know whether the Akamba culture permits that, but the Luo culture does not.

Hon. Basil, there is an enquiry I keep making, which is not idle. You remember a similar suggestion was made by Hon. Zuleikha in the previous Parliament. I know the Mover of the Bill can still remember. We chased Hon. Zuleikha with her child from these Chambers then a week...

Thank you, Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, nominated Member of Parliament. Before further debate, let me welcome the institutions visiting the National Assembly to observe proceedings. In the Public Gallery, we have students and teachers from the following institutions: Utithi Primary School in Kibwezi East Constituency of Makueni County; Chepkolon Green Highlands...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda will have the microphone before Hon. Charles Ngusya because of the subject matter and gender considerations.

Hon. Naisula, I am reminded to welcome a number of institutions visiting the House. Let me, therefore, interrupt your contribution briefly to welcome, in the Public and Speakers’ Gallery, students from Kabiangek Secondary School in Konoin Constituency, Bomet County, and pupils from St. Mary's Primary, Mogotio Constituency, Baringo County. On...

Your Temporary Speaker is the greatest advocate for breastfeeding. In fact, if you remember in the last Parliament when Hon. Zuleikha was at the forefront in moving it, that day she sneaked into the House up to somewhere there. The Serjeant-at-Arms were chasing her away with her child. It was...

I know Hon. Charles Ngusya agrees that the Temporary Speaker decided right to allow you to speak before him, because those experiences are deep.

Hon. Peter Orero is now recognised to speak. He should contribute to the Bill in the context of education.

For the convenience of the House, the House will now adjourn to go and prepare for the afternoon session. Be upstanding, Hon. Members. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 12.59

Hon. Gitonga Murugara, do you want to speak to this matter? He is certainly not interested. Let us have Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health.

Hon. Millie.

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, let me say something that Hon. Millie did not tell you. When we decided that we would budget for the building of courts in the 11th Parliament, the Executive agreed. However, they said the money should go to the State Department for Public Works and not to...

Hon. Geoffrey Odanga is now recognised to speak.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, MP for Kwanza, you will speak but before you do so, let me recognise a public visit to the National Assembly. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery this afternoon are students of St. Angela Merici Wamagana School from Tetu Constituency, Nyeri County. I am unable to...

On my own behalf and that of the House, I welcome students from St. Angela Merici Wamagana School to the National Assembly to watch the proceedings. May you grow to be good girls, but not bad ones. (Laughter)

Hon. Lilian Gogo, you can only inform a Member who wants information. Unfortunately, it is rejected. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, proceed. (Loud consultations)

Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo.

Hon. Members you will have another time to commiserate with him. Hon. Lillian Gogo, you may proceed because I know how the debate will end. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)

Hon. Wanyonyi, you are not standing on a point of information. What is out of order?

Order, Hon. Members. The audit report indicates a possibility that some NG-CDF programmes are done on hire purchase. That is what I have heard both Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi and Hon. Gogo counsel against. Either way, nothing is out of order. Proceed, Hon. Lillian Gogo.

Hon. Agnes Pareyio, Member for Narok North will now speak. Hon. Members, I want to alert you that the Motion coming up next, under Order No.10, is a very serious one. It is consideration of the third Report on employment diversity audit in public institutions. It is a very critical...

Hon. Abdi Ali, Member for Ijara I cannot see your request on the screen. Do you want to speak to this? Please proceed.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka is recognised to speak.

I will give you time to make your contribution. Obviously, under the Standing Orders, you cannot address the issue now because the Member has concluded his contribution. Hon. Mogaka, proceed.

Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member for Kitui West, is recognised to make her contribution.

When a Member stands at her place and proposes that the Mover be called upon to reply, the presiding Speaker has to put a question for resolution and decision by the House. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Before the Mover replies,...

Hon. Edith Nyenze, you know the Member for Tharaka who is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs is your neighbor. I, therefore, allow him to also welcome the visiting students.

Thank you. I reiterate that the students of Kithunzi Primary School are welcome to the National Assembly to observe proceedings. The Mover of the Motion will now reply.

Hon. Mulyungi, I know how generous you are particularly, when Members support your Motion. I know Hon. Murugara will reject that act of generosity because he knows under the Standing Orders, when called upon to reply you cannot donate time. You can only proceed and reply as directed.

Who do you want to inform? The Mover has not requested for... (Hon. Caroli Omondi spoke off the record) Mover, have you agreed to be informed about anything by Hon. Caroli?

Order Hon. Caroli. I have not heard the Mover make any statement in replying, for any form of information to be given. Do you want to inform him about how he is standing to speak or what? He has not made any statement, the basis upon which you may give...

Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, do you wish to be informed by Hon. Caroli Omondi?

Hon. Caroli Omondi, you can now inform Hon. Mulyungi. Hon. Members who are leaving, please check what is coming next in Order Nos.10 and 11; very serious Motions. Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs wants to inform you. Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, do you want his information?

Hon. George Gitonga Murugara.

Hon. Gideon Mulyungi, you can now proceed.

Hon Stephen Mogaka requests to inform you. Do you accept his information?

You are very easy with advocates of the High Court serving as State officers in Parliament. Hon Stephen Mogaka, proceed and give the information.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka, I thought you were going to inform Hon. Gideon Mulyungi that the Ngong Law Courts are purely a NG-CDF project. Actually, the entire Ngong Law Courts are built by the NG-CDF.

What Hon. Caroli Omondi was informing Hon. Gideon Mulyungi about is not something new; it has been ongoing. Hon Gideon Mulyungi, please, conclude.

Thank you. The putting of the Question to this Motion will be done in future when it is next listed for consideration by the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF THIRD REPORT ON EMPLOYMENT DIVERSITY AUDIT IN PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS Chairperson of the Select Committee...

Chairman, where do you get the community called Kalenjin in our ethnic groupings in Kenya?

Chairman, so far as I know, there is no ethnic community in Kenya called the Kalenjin. The Kalenjin is a grouping of various ethnic communities mostly from Rift Valley. What you are saying is the same groupings like the Mount Kenya community or Gikuyu, Embu, Meru and Akamba (GEMA) communities....

Chairman, does your Report break down the communities you put under the umbrella of Kalenjin community, which is not a recognised ethnic group in Kenya?

Chairman, you remember the

Hon. Owen Baya is always very alert about communities. The last community we recognised, by your intervention, was the Pemba. That was after the Makonde. So, we have about 46 ethnic communities by now. Chairman, we are not saying this in any idle way. Article 232(1)(g), (h) and (i) of...

Kindly get the Standing Order so that you can move rightly. Hon. Muragara, look at the Standing Order and see whether you want to so move. As Hon. Murugara finds the Standing Order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo, you can proceed.

You cannot inform a Member who is on a point of order. I will give you a chance to speak if you have a matter to raise. (Hon. Naisula Lesuuda complimented Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona for being smart)

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

I doubt it.

Hon. Owen Baya.

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, I have read Standing Order No.96, which we intend to move under. It appears to suggest that you may only do so once the Question has been proposed by the Hon. Chairman. I, therefore, request all Members to allow the Mover to move the Motion...

Hon. Chairman. Article 232 (1) (i) of the Constitution of Kenya provides that one of the principles of public service is the provision of adequate and equal opportunities for appointment, training and advancement at all levels of the public service for men and women, members of all ethnic groups and...

Hon. Agnes Pareiyo.

Hon. Murugara, who is seconding your dilatory Motion?

Hon. Ambassador, Francis Sigei, Member of Parliament for Sotik.

I have proposed the Question. Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question? (Loud consultations)

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda will withdraw that and continue.

Hon. Members, you cannot impute ill motive on a Member. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda, you have to withdraw that statement. No Member runs the House. The House is run and presided over by the Speaker. But decisions in terms of how we proceed are ultimately made by Members. Withdraw the words...

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo.

I hope that the Motion will be scheduled by the House Business Committee (HBC) at the earliest opportunity, now that it has been duly moved for debate. I can tell you that, gauging from the mood of the House, it will be a very serious debate in the manner we...

You cannot inform the Speaker, Chairlady of the Committee on Regional Integration. Next Order. THE ELECTION OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL Mover.

Hon. Sir George Gitonga Murugara.

Do we have any Member who wants to contribute to this Bill? (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table)

Who is seconding your dilatory Motion? Hon. Naisula Lesuuda? I have seen the microphone somewhere to your right.

Mover. The Chairperson, Public

Next Order. ADOPTION OF SECOND REPORT ON STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONSTITUTION

(Motion deferred)The Motion appearing under Order 13 is stepped down to a future date when it will be next scheduled for consideration by the House Business Committee. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, be upstanding. The time being 6.50 p.m., this House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 23rd July 2025, at 9.30 a.m....

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support this constitutional amendment. The biggest benefit out of our Constitution 2010 is devolution. It appears first as a national value under Article 10 of the Constitution, and then again in the various Chapters, mainly to ensure equity in distribution...

Hon. Lilian Siyoi is recognised.

Hon. Mary Maingi, on account of gender considerations.

Hon. Fatuma, have you spoken to this? I am being gender-biased because of time. So, if all our Hon. female Members have contributed, I will proceed to the Hon. gentlemen in Parliament. Let us have Hon. Caleb Mule.

What is out of order, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning? Give him the microphone. He is not a Member who interrupts business for no reason.

Hon. Kimani Kuria, I allowed you to speak on that matter because it involved a personal attack. We recall what you went through last year. We are mindful of the service you provide to this House, as the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. Allow me...

Hon. Timothy Rotich is recognised to contribute.

Our best wishes as the National Assembly are for Faith Kipyegon to win. She has always made Kenya proud. I wanted to call on Hon. Eli Letipila, but because of rank, Hon. Eli, allow Hon. Samwel Moroto to be recognised before you.

Under Standing Order 1, you get three minutes because you are talking about real Kenyans’ issues concerning this Fund.

Thank you very much. Hon. Paul Biego will now speak.

Hon. Joseph Munyoro, the MP of Kigumo, will now speak.

Hon. Munyoro, when you go to London, you will find people picketing and demonstrating near the Parliament of the United Kingdom and yet, no one disrupts anything. Each person takes their turn, demonstrates peacefully, and then leaves. You do not find people jumping all over the place. I do not...

I do not know whether you agree that in as much as we have these rights…If you look at Article 25 of the Constitution, only four rights are not capable of limitation. We can limit these others, including the right to demonstrate in terms of where and what times to...

Thank you very much, Hon. Joseph Munyoro. The most patriotic lady in the House, Hon. Sabina Chege, will now speak.

Hon. Sabina Chege, how much more time do you need? (Hon. Sabina Chege spoke off the record) Add her five minutes.

I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes. Hon. Sabina Chege, it is unfortunate but, once an issue of quorum is raised, the Speaker’s hands are tied. Ring the Quorum Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) You cannot leave when the Quorum Bell is being rung. ADJOURNMENT...

It is very easy to know the Members eyeing the gubernatorial seat in future. We can easily listen to them. Hon. Gideon Ochanda, the Member for Bondo. (Laughter)

The Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’, Member for Ruaraka.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Kitui Central, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Hon. Yussuf Mohamed.

Hon. Jematiah, I will seek the decision of the House on the matter that you have raised once the Member speaking concludes.

Thank you. Hon. Members, Hon. Jematiah stood in her place and asked for the decision of the House on whether the Mover should be called up on to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Before we proceed to the next Order, let me recognise the following institutions visiting the National Assembly today. In the House, we have the Good Shepherd Academy from Mwala Constituency, Machakos County and Asumbi Girls High School from Rangwe Constituency, Homa Bay County. Hon. Members, Homa Bay County is my...

I will be in trouble because I do not have a doctorate yet I come from Homa Bay County. Now that Hon. (Dr) Lillian Gogo is here, I will give her an opportunity to welcome our students from the best school in the country.

Do you have a doctorate? (Hon. Rozaah Buyu spoke off the record) You are not recognised. Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Lillian Gogo. This time is only for women with doctorates.

Hon. (Dr) Lillian Gogo, what is the relationship between Hon. Jalang'o and Asumbi Girls High School, our best girls’ school? Hon. (Dr) Lillian Gogo (Rangwe, ODM) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank my sister, Hon. (Dr) Gathoni Wamuchomba. She just wanted me to acknowledge that she...

Hon. Members, if we allow the House to debate about Asumbi Girls High School and the other schools, we will be here up to tomorrow because we are all connected to Asumbi Girls High School. I want us to transact Business.

Does Hon. Jalang'o have a PhD? He can then contribute just for a minute.

All the visiting schools and students are welcome to the House during their learning tour. Call the next Order.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Chairperson to report to the House.

The Mover to move agreement with the report.

Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. Rachael Nyamai, in terms of procedure, the Question has to first be put. (Question proposed) Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai.

Mhe. Rachael Nyamai, ungependa

Mhe. Silvanus Osoro, mfahamishe

Mhe. Rachael Nyamai, umefahamishwa. Umemaliza au unaendelea?

Huyo ni Mhe. Sitienei?(Loud consultations)

Mhe. Silvanus Osoro ametumia kile Kiswahili tunachosema kimebuniwa upande wa Nyanza. Yuko na tajriba kuu ukimlinganisha na Mhe. Spika. Do you want to contribute? Mhe. Gikaria.

Mhe. Owen Baya.

Hon. Charles Nguna Ngusya.

Hon. Charles Nguna Ngusya, kindly take back your seat. I have not proposed the question for debate. (Question proposed) Hon. Charles Nguna Ngusya, you can now contribute.

Hon. Charles Nguna Ngusya, I have not seen any request from Hon. Rachael Nyamai to either contribute or inform you. Hon. Rachael Nyamai, you wanted to contribute?

Hon. Rachael, you raise a very important issue. I never saw my paternal grandmother, she died of a snake bite. Do not wait for six months, you can enjoin the Committee in pursuing that endeavour. Hon. Members, because of other businesses, let me put the question. I have confirmed that...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. We maybe postponing this idea of zero rating, but we need to think about it deeply. We are zero rating very many products but there is no evidence that by zero rating, the benefit goes to the local person or consumer. For instance, the transportation...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, thank you for the opportunity. The reasons given by the Committee Chairman are very good. But so that we do not appear to be favouring some sectors, have we done an overview of all sectors which are similarly affected? If so, what are those sectors? (Hon. Kuria...

I am seeking a clarification. I understand a flow metre. I request the Leader of the Majority Party to listen to me. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : He is not the Mover. Flow metres should be a requirement to regulate the amount of the alcoholic products we unleash...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am standing under the provisions of Article 114 (2) of the Constitution. (Loud consultations) Hon. Temporary Chairman, there are consultations going on in front of me. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : You were part of those consultations. I was not. The Temporary Chairman (Hon....

Hon. Chairman, I support this amendment. These are the kinds of amendments we need in the Finance Bill. We are losing a lot. One of the reasons we have this Finance Bill this year is to entrench tax efficiency and accountability. This is one such provision. Let me thank you,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, we have a budget of over Ksh4 trillion and that revenue for that budget is mainly collected by the Kenya Revenue Authority. By international practice, the revenue authorities are usually budgeted between 1.5 per cent and 2 per cent of the revenue. Because of our fiscal space,...

The Chairperson on the Finance Bill to report to the House. (Loud consultations)

Mover of the Bill to move for agreement with the report.

Hon. Chiforomodo

Who wants to speak to this? Yes, Hon. Omboko Milemba. (A Member spoke off record)

Any more contributions? Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Members, we still have the Equalisation Fund Appropriation Bill to deal with. I am going to give all of you a chance to contribute, but please make it brief. Hon. Samuel Atandi, Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Thank you, Hon. Atandi. Indeed, those two Bills shall be debated to conclusion today. Therefore, all those interested in participating in those matters should begin walking back into the chamber. Hon. Owen Baya.

A chick that will grow into a cock is seen when it is hatched. From the time Hon. Irene Mayaka came to this House, we knew she would be a great legislator. Hon. Mayaka, make your contribution.

The Question relevant to where we are, and all preceding matters, will be put when this business will come to the House in future. (Putting of the Question deferred) I want the Chairperson to report to the House on the Kenya National Council for Population and Development Bill (National Assembly...

Can the Mover move agreement with the Report?

Hon. Kimani Kuria, I allowed you to speak to it because it is so important. We are already on a different subject, but it is very important. I know the contribution you have made, though belated, it pleases Hon. Makali Mulu. Let me remind all of us that we are...

Hon. Members, the Question for the adoption of the Report of the Committee and other matters remaining under this particular Bill will be transacted in the future when the House Business Committee will next schedule it to be transacted. (Putting of the Question deferred)

Hon. Dido Raso, never attribute any form of bias to the Speaker. The Speaker observes the entire House and recognises each and every Member according to when they are recognised. Thank you. Next Order. I am informed that the Speaker had ordered that the matter appearing as Order No.10 comes...

Hon. (Dr) Pukose.

I will give the first chance to Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu because of his rank in these matters.

Hon. Dido Raso is recognised.

Hon. Nyakundi.

The last person will be Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona.

There is no more interest in this except by Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga. Could you make your contributions in three minutes. All else could speak to the same matters when we transact the Equalisation Fund Bill.

Hon. Moroto will contribute when we deal with the Equalisation Fund Appropriation Bill. The Mover may reply.

Thank you, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. For the convenience of the House, the Question on the Second Reading of the Bill will be put when the House next considers the matter. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE EQUALISATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL

Hon. Robert Pukose.

Hon. Samwel Moroto, is recognised.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

Next is Hon. Omboko Milemba followed by Hon. John Kiragu. Thereafter, if there is no more interest, the Mover will reply.

Order, Hon. Milemba. Hon. Jematiah, we are also amending the Kenya Roads Act, which we must transact before the hour. For clarity, the House will adjourn at 9.00 p.m., and not 9.30 p.m.

Hon. Eng. John Kiragu. Or you want to speak to the Kenya Roads Bill, and we call the mover to reply?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a very quick one. We should easily support this Bill by the Leader of the Majority Party. In fact, we discussed it in the legislative caucus in the morning. I signify my support to it. As I support it, allow me to say that this...