Kaluma George Peter Opondo

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I know all the nominees. I know Madam Peris Muthoni Kimani, a lady who has risen from very humble beginnings and served up to very high echelons of the security apparatus. I also know Benjamin Imai, I worked with him in the security sector when...

Order, Hon. Chairman. These are very technical things. Just before you move from Clause 36, you mentioned something about tax expenditure. You are also talking about zero-rating exempt. Could you explain them to Members, because I see you are losing so many Members in terms of the effect thereof. (Hon....

Hon. CPA Julius Rutto, proceed.

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. David Mboni.

Hon. John Kiarie. (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record)

Let us have Hon. Wilberforce Oundo followed by Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu. I request that you take under five minutes each because of time.

Hon. Oundo is very right to make the presentation he made.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Irene Mayaka will be followed by Hon. Julius Melly and Hon. Basil. They will each have three minutes.

Hon. Julius Melly.

Hon. Basil, make your submissions under three minutes.

The Mover to reply, there being no more interest.

Hon. Eric Muchangi.

Hon. Zamzam.

Mover to conclude.

Hon. Chairman, I heard Hon. Oundo say that although last year’s public participation was commendable, this year’s was even more intensive and extensive. That is what he stated. You will agree, Chairman, that this year, members of the public are receiving a Quick Response (QR) Code. This allows anyone, anywhere,...

I get you, Hon. Mishi. Hon. Kajwang’ do you have the Bill? The provision that Hon. Mishi is speaking to is very important. You can look at Clause 5 (g) . Hon. Mishi, the concern I am raising is that, if these are learners with disabilities, I know what the...

You may proceed. I can see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (JLAC) and the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education are looking at it and they may, later on, contribute on the point I am making. I thank you for the contributions that...

I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We always disagree with the House of the Senate in several Bills and Motions they process and bring here. For the first time this year, I congratulate the Senate for coming up with this Bill. Until you see a person who was able before...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Member? Hon. Temporary Speaker, you have not given directions on the Order we have just transacted in terms of the Question being put now or in future.

Hon. Caroli, would you still make that line of contribution? If you looked at the provisions of Article 4 (2) of the Constitution; Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM) Which says, what? Remind me. Does the Table have a copy of the Constitution? It is always good to hear the...

Correct. That is what it says. And Article 10 talks about our national values, among others are patriotism, national unity, sharing, devolution, rule of law, democracy, participation of the people, which includes independent candidates, non-discrimination, which is what I am talking about and protection of the marginalised. That is what...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order? Hon. Temporary Speaker, what Hon. Caroli as a senior lawyer to me has said is very dangerous; not only in terms of how he interprets the provisions of the relevant sections of the Constitution and the...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the point I am making is that the relationship between the ODM party, which I am the staunchest member and the UDA party is documented. It is interparty and post-election, and we are doing it together for the good governance of the country.

I am the staunchest supporter of that Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) and the broad-based government which was signed into by Rt.Hon. Raila Omolo Odinga, my party leader and the UDA party leader, His Excellency Dr William Samoe Ruto. So, to be adhering to that MoU, only confirms that I am...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Are you on a point of order? Go ahead, Hon. George Peter Kaluma. (Technical hitch)I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I needed to contribute before Hon. Caroli Omondi recedes from the House. Article 4 (2) of the Constitution says, among other things,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, could my time be frozen?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we were condemning because he went before the Party as an institution and sat with the other. We are joining on ideals agreed upon because the ODM party, the greatest, most organised and currently, one of the oldest parties in Africa, sat with the United Democratic Alliance...

Hon. Victor Koech.

The Whip of the Jubilee Party in the National Assembly, Hon. Sabina Chege.

Thank you, Chief Whip of the Jubilee Party. Hon. Mark Mwenje will now contribute.

Order, Hon. Mark Mwenje. Your Speaker knows better, and the substantive Speaker will, at his own chosen time, brief you. However, I can assure you that the Court has made a very good decision that secures the existence of the roads agencies. It is a decision that essentially unfreezes the...

Our substantive Speaker, the Rt. Hon. (Dr) Francis Masika Moses Wetang’ula, will brief you at his own time. Do not worry, and do not debate it. I have also seen some people wiping their tears by distorting that Ruling through the media, but just ignore that. We are leaders. We...

Hon. Daniel Manduku, Member for Nyaribari Masaba.

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

Hon. Jematiah will be followed by Hon. Joseph Oyula, in that order, because of gender and ranking considerations.

Hon. Joseph Oyula.

Hon. Makali Mulu, the Mover should be replying soon. Are you very anxious to speak? Please make your remarks before the Mover steps into the House.

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia and the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education will have two minutes each to register their comments, and then the Mover will reply.

Hon. Julius Melly.

The Mover will now reply.

I will defer the putting of the Question to a future date. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, be upstanding. The time being 7.04 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 10th June 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.04 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Hon. Deputy Speaker, thank you very much. Of the many things you taught me at the University of Nairobi was Public International Law, more so, Law of the Sea. Therefore, I understand the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. You taught us that it was ratified in...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I did not just study public international law. I am the first lawyer in this country to specialise in law of the sea. In fact, I assisted our navy in delimiting...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Okola participated in coming up with the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea, but at the very heart of that Convention was Dr Andronico Oduogo Adede from Kobwae, Ndhiwa Constituency, Homa Bay County. That is something for which he is credited. Dr Andronico Oduogo Adede...

Next is the Member for Ol Jorok, Hon. Michael Muchira.

Hon. Kangogo Bowen, there are Members whom the previous Speaker had designated.

The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs is obviously taking note of that, including the stalled construction of the High Court in Homa Bay.

Next is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security.

Yes. The point that he is making about the operationalisation of the newly gazetted administration units is critical. Do you need two or three minutes? Add him two minutes.

I see Hon. Murugara, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health, and the Leadership. I wanted to make an exception to allow Hon. Dido Raso to contribute for the reasons you know—people of his faith are currently fasting, and he wishes to leave. He is fasting.

Hon. Murugara will be followed by Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Hon. Members, pursuant to Standing Order 237, I am alerting the House that we have just entered the Second Allotted Day for the purpose of debating this Motion. Thank you. Proceed.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health.

Let us have Hon. Anthony Oluoch, followed by Hon. Mukunji, Member for Manyatta. Then, Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, followed by Hon. Kiarie.

Hon. KJ, Hon. (Dr) Oundo merely confirmed that the prophecy appeared to rest very well in my soul. (Laughter)

Hon. Mukunji.

Hon. Mukunji, do you need information?

What is out of order, Hon. Anthony Oluoch?

Thank you. Hon. Mukunji.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. (Dr) Oundo.

Hon. (Dr) Oundo, we also need to be factual. For the first time, I have seen a proposed road project in Mandera County. I have never seen this before. Additionally, Ndhiwa Constituency, which has never seen a tarmac road or a road raised to Bitumen standards, is included in the...

Hon. Members are advised to read the Committee Report and the Budget Estimates under the Schedule, the voluminous one. Many Members often focus on the summarised Report, but the Schedule is a bit more specific. Hon. Kiarie John.

Hon. Martin Owino, Member for Ndhiwa, will now be heard.

Hon. Members, you are notified that this Motion has three allotted days. We are on the second allotted day following the pronouncement I made about one and a half hours ago. Do not worry about replying. Being a Motion allotted three days, the mover cannot reply today. The earliest the...

Hon. Naomi Waqo. In the meantime, the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, approach Hon. Temporary Speaker. (Hon. Samuel Atandi consulted with Hon. Temporary Speaker)

Hon. (Dr) Naomi Wako, just before you conclude, there is the famous road His Excellency the President has been proposing for the north. The one going through... Tell us something about it. Do not worry about time, as the Leader of the House. This is because you have been sitting...

Thank you, Hon. Members. For the Members who have stayed up to this time, please accept my appreciation. Budgeting is possibly one of the most serious roles of the National Assembly. It is very good to sit up to this late to confirm that the Budget Estimates accord with the...

Is that also to be committed on by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy? It is the Chairperson of Administration and Internal Security Committee. Can we have any Member of the Committee making an undertaking? Yes, address the matter on behalf of the Committee.

Two weeks, unless the Member has something else to say. Hon. Chiforomodo, two weeks?

Two weeks it shall be. Request for Statement No.5 on the Order Paper by Hon. Amina Mnyazi is deferred until the Member comes to the House or in the future. IMPACT OF WITHDRAWAL OF USAID FUNDING STALLED CONSTRUCTION OF OLENGURUONE STADIUM

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works present? The Vice-Chairman, Hon. Rindikiri, please; commit.

Hon. Tonui.

Thank you. Two weeks it is. Let us have the request for Statement by Hon. Cynthia Muge. WELFARE OF KENYANS WORKING IN MIDDLE EAST

Hon. Farah Maalim, pursuant to Standing Order No.1, I direct the Serjeant-at-Arms to take out that foodstuff from the Chamber. I am doing this not only under the rules but also because you have chosen to eat alone while Hon. Rachael Nyamai is seated there with you. Whip of the...

You are challenging the discretion of the Speaker, and that is not permitted. In fact, that could be disorderly, Whip of the Minority Party. The Speaker has directed that the nuts be taken away from the plenary by the Serjeant- at-Arms. The Speaker has reasonable means to buy his own...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am just from a meeting of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, where it was confirmed that by 2035 – barely 10 years from now – we will have a population surge of 1.2 billion young people seeking job...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am standing under Article 27 of the Constitution which speaks to the matter that nobody shall be discriminated on any consideration, including language. The issue being raised by Hon. Feisal Bader is a very serious one. I remember the last time I saw Prime Minister, Raila...

On a point of order. What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under the relevant provisions of the Standing Orders to ask whether it would be right for the Mover to be called upon to reply. The Mover gave very detailed information and the Report...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.131 to request that the matter under Order No.12 be stepped down for future consideration. I have consulted with the Mover of the Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61 of 2022) , Hon. Millie Odhiambo, who is...

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Last, let us have Hon. Makilap.

I give this chance to Hon. Mwenje, under Standing Order No.1.

Hon. Chairman, the concerns raised by Members are valid and very serious. It is not the first time a Cabinet Secretary in charge of the National Treasury has promised to release funds for the NG-CDF, but the promises are not met. This House never operates in vain. Can you have...

I want us to be done with this because we are raising this with the Chairman of the Select Committee on National-Government Constituencies Development Fund who is one of us. We have power over him and I hope you understand what I am saying, Hon. Musa Sirma. We have power...

Let us transact other business. We will hold you to those undertakings you have made on your own behalf and on behalf of the Executive. Let us go to Requests for Statements. REQUESTS FOR STATEMENTS Hon. Beatrice Kemei. MURDER OF MR JOSHUA MUTAI

On special request, Hon. Justice Kemei. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice on the killing of this most dedicated and loyal servant of the people of Sigowet/Soin Constituency. Mr Joshua Mutai died in the hands of...

Hon. Dido Raso this is serious. Commit to the House when you shall respond to the House.

Hon. Beatrice, two weeks after we come back from recess sounds reasonable. Give Hon. Beatrice Kemei the microphone.

The Vice-Chairperson of the STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO MURDER OF MADAM ROSELIDA AKINYI

Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto Mwangi, do you want to speak to this?

The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security.

Thank you. Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

The Chairman of the Committee says that he will indulge you. You might have more information that could help with this serious matter beyond what you are saying. You can either arrange with him now or at any other time to give that information so that it can help the...

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka, any rejoinder?

Okay. As we wait for the two weeks after recess, please supply the Chairperson of the Committee with the copy of that order so that when the matter is pursued with the relevant Ministry, that information goes to them. Because if there is a straight forward order to be enforced...

The next Statement is by Hon. Getrude Mbeyu, Member of Parliament (MP) for Kilifi County. (The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table) For the convenience of the House, the Request of Statement No. 4 on the Order Paper will be deferred to a future date. ALLEGED ENVIRONMENTAL...

Hon. Joshua Kimilu, do you want to add to the Statement request?

Hon. Kiamba, are you looking at compensation or reinstatement?

Is Hon. Ken Chonga the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Labour? He is the Chair. The experts who took leadership a short while back have started absenting themselves from the House. Who will commit on behalf of the Chair of the Committee? Is that Hon. Dorice Donya? Do you...

Fine, within the first two weeks? Hon. Kiamba, two weeks?

Hon. Dorice Donya, deliver the message of the seriousness of this matter to the leadership and membership of the Committee.

Within two weeks, there should be a very comprehensive report to the House for consideration. We know what happens in some of these cases. Some Kenyans have been treated so badly in the civil service. We cannot allow it as a House that makes laws on fair treatment of all...

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands. Who will speak on behalf of the Committee in their absence? Hon.

Hon. Wandeto, is it acceptable?

The response will be given two weeks after recess. Let us go to request for Statement No.7 by Hon. Dorice Donya, Member for Kisii County. PLIGHT OF RETIRED TEACHERS WHO FOUNDED GUMICO

Hon. Dorice Donya, thank you for revealing to the House that you dropped me off at the Mwalimu International Hotel at the break of the New Year when we hosted the President in Gusii. It would be unfortunate if that investment is out of the reach of the people who...

Understood, Hon, Mukunji.

Verbatim text unavailable — read this contribution in the official Hansard.

The concerns raised by Hon. Mukunji and Hon. Beatrice Kemei on the fact that the Minister has never appeared before the House have been noted. Where is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives? Who is undertaking this on behalf of the Committee? Again, it is...

Two weeks, it is. Hon. Millie Odhiambo approves. Next is the response by the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security to the Question previously raised by the Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Proceed. REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS INCREASED INCIDENCES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN KENYA

Let us have the Minority Whip.

Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. Hon. Dido Raso, this request is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security.

Hon. Njeri Maina is obviously satisfied. So, it shall be the first week after recess. Let us have Hon. Richard Yegon. MURDER OF WESLEY KIPKEMOI BETT IN MAU FOREST

Hon. Dido Raso.

Is the second week after recess satisfactory, Hon. Richard Yegon?

Do we have any more requests for Statements that is already approved by the Speaker? None at all. If not, then the response from the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security on the matters raised by Hon. Julius Sunkuli can now be made.

The Speaker invokes the powers donated to him by Standing Order 1. In normal cases, this would have been deferred or dropped, but because of the urgency and seriousness of this matter, we will allow Hon. Dido Raso to present the interim report. LAND CLASHES IN KILGORIS CONSTITUENCY

That Statement will be available to Hon. Julius Sunkuli and any Member who would want to go through it. Next Order. RATIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT ON FISHERIES SUBSIDIES (Motion deferred)Where is the Mover? He is not in. That Motion appearing under Order No. 9 is stepped down. Hon. Naomi Waqo,...

Unfortunately, you are coming after we have stepped it down for consideration by the House in future. Next Order, which the Whip of the Minority Party is moving. RATIFICATION OF THE TREATY ESTABLISHING THE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY ON DEVELOPMENT

I give this chance to Hon. Bashir, the Vice-Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations to second.

Hon. Dido Raso, Member for Saku and the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration National Security.

Could you approach the Temporary Speaker? [Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona consulted with the Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)] Hon. Millie has raised the issue of quorum. Could the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes? (Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 8.58

The Chairperson to report to the House.

The Mover to move for agreement with the Report.

There being no interest to speak to this, for the convenience of the House, the Question will be put at a future date when the business will be next scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. WITHDRAWAL OF THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT (MOTORCYCLE...

Leader of the Majority Party, I hope you do not fear bodaboda riders.

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. (Question proposed) Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo, Member for Funyula.

Hon. Kangogo Bowen, followed by Hon. Peter Irungu Kihungi.

Hon. Peter Irungu Kihungi is recognised.

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo.

Hon. Eric, the son of Mumbi, do you want to contribute to this? I am told Mumbi is the mother of all the Agikuyu. If not, let us have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, Hon Kimani.

Hon. Stephen. M. Mogaka, Member for West Mugirango.

Hon. Beatrice Adagala, Member for Vihiga County.

Next is the Member for Ganze, Hon. Charo Kazungu.

There being no more interest, the Mover can reply. (Hon. Naomi Waqo raised her hand) Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to speak to this?

Hon. Emaase, I will give you two minutes. We have overshot our time and I want the Mover to reply to this Motion before we close.

Thank you, Hon. Emaase. There being no further interest, Hon. Tom Francis Kajwang’ can reply.

For the convenience of the House, putting of the Question to this Motion is deferred to a future date when it shall be scheduled for consideration by the House through the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question deferred) Let us all be upstanding, Hon. Members. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think, together with all the other Members, we have looked at a very detailed Report from the Departmental Committee on Social Protection, which discusses what they did during the vetting of these nominees. Would I be in order to propose for your direction that, looking at...

The Chairperson to report to the House.

The mover to move agreement with the Report.

Hon. Rindikiri, proceed.

Is Hon. Makali Mulu in the House? Hon. Eckomas Mutuse, do you have something to say? I can see your request. Hon. Nabii Nabwera and Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu have stepped out on other state duties. Hon. Members, there being no more interest, the putting of the Question for the adoption...

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health, the Report of the Committee is in the House. The indication that I am getting from the House is that the Members appear to have read everything you are telling them. Kindly, wind up.

Hon. Patrick Munene. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang’ombe, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I do not want to say so many things after my Chairman has gone through the whole Committee Report. I will say three key things about Dr Oluga. Firstly, he was a student at Maranda High...

Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Leader of the Minority Party.

The Leader of the Majority Party takes precedence. Take back your seat, Hon. Member. The Leader of the Majority Party will be heard in total silence.

Mover.

Thank you. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo walked into the Chamber) Order! Hon. Oundo, freeze there. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour to move the Motion. APPROVAL OF NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND HUMAN CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT

Hon. Ken Chonga, the detailed report of the Committee is already on the Table and has been distributed to Members. Kindly summarise the Motion, if possible. Go to the resolutions so that the House can make a decision.

Hon. James K’Oyoo.

Having no contribution, there is no need to Reply. (Question put and agreed on) Next order. APPROVAL OF NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARY FOR TRADE The Chairperson Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives to Move.

Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Leader of the Majority Party takes precedence.

The Chair, Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo is recognised to contribute.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, the Member of Parliament for Buuri.

Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, Member of Parliament for Westlands.

Hon. Anthony Oluoch, Member of Parliament for Mathare.

Hon. Members, allow me to interfere with the proceedings to communicate a recognition on behalf of the House. I wish to introduce to you a delegation of the All-Party Parliamentary Groups (APPGs) from the Parliament of the United Kingdom (UK) , who are seated in the Speaker's Gallery. They are:...

Hon. Thuku Kwenya, do you want to contribute? Please do.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara has sat in the House patiently from 2.30 p.m. Do you want to contribute to this? Please do so before we put the Question.

Hon. Rahim Dawood.

He does not want to contribute to this Special Motion. Hon. Mwalyo, you are recognised to contribute.

Member for Kajiado West, Hon. George Sunkuyia, do you want to speak to this Special Motion?

Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe, Hon. Patrick Ntwiga. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang’ombe, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, my contribution will be brief. Firstly, I stand to support Ms Regina Akoth’s nomination as a Principal Secretary. Secondly, I will say three things. First, we have a very big market for coffee and tea...

Hon. Members, the time has come for the House to decide. (Question put and agreed to) Next order. CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS TO THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL Hon. Rahim Dawood to move.

Hon. Patrick Munene to second the Motion. Hon. Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igambang’ombe, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to second this Motion. I do not want to belabour what the Member said. Cancer is a real issue in this country. It is high time we invested in health,...

Hon. Rahim Dawood, you are the Mover. I can still see your request. Hon. Thuku Kwenya, do you want to contribute to this?

Hon. Zamzam Chimba, do you want to contribute to this? I see your request. Is Hon. Guyo Jaldesa in the House? Let us have Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, the Member for Buuri.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo, Member of Parliament for Marsabit County.

The Mover can now reply. Hon. Zamzam, do you want to speak on this? Sorry, Mover. Let us allow Hon. Zamzam Chimba to contribute.

Hon. Kimani Kuria, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Kimani Kuria, I can confirm why you are addressing the nation from the House in Kiswahili. (Laughter) Mover, please reply.(Loud consultations)

Next Order. Hon. Members, this is a quick matter. I am grateful for your patience and I request we all stay in. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairperson (Hon. Peter Kaluma) in the Chair] THE EXCISE...

We will first deal with the Excise Duty (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.7 of 2025) . Chairperson.

Sorry. We will expunge that from The Hansard. I regret the disorder. The Mover to move agreement with the Report.

I know why the Leader of the Majority Party has chosen Kiswahili. (Laughter)

Order, Hon. Mishi Mboko. The Speaker has not recognised you. Kindly take your seat. First, the Mover will move in agreement with the report. The Chairperson, please move the report to the House.

The Mover to move in agreement with the report.

Hon. Mishi Mboko, proceed to second.

For the convenience of the House, I will defer the putting of the Question on the two Bills we have transacted in the Committee of the whole House until next time in the future when the House Business Committee will schedule them for the House's consideration and decision. (Putting of...

Hon. Timothy Toroitich, what is out of order?

Hon. Tindi, do you own that statement?(Technical hitch)Proceed. We have challenges of technology. Bear with Parliament.

The point Hon. Timothy Toroitich is making is that when you make such a statement, you specifically mention the government institutions doing so. If you leave it blank, then the people watching may not be certain that you are dealing with a specific institution; not the whole of Government.

Can you make that clarification and confirm again for the record, although you already did so, the financial statements of the institutions we are dealing with?

Then Tindi Mwale, having done so, I can confirm that you are not just functus officio but also, under the Standing Orders, you cannot donate any of your minutes to a Chairperson of a Committee. So, even the Hon. Member scratching his head in the hope that you would make...

Hon. Omar Mwinyi.

Cabinet Secretary, you will respond to those ones. Question No. 38 of 2025 requires data. If you do not have the data, the provision of the data can, upon request, be delivered to a date we may specify. Kindly respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Migos Ogamba) :...

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, do you want to joyride on this Question?

Thank you. Respond, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the 311 students that have not been returned to NEMIS, for one reason or another, I urge the Hon. Member to share with us that information so that we...

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Capitation funds are provided to schools based on NEMIS. Each Junior Secondary School is required to do a requisition for a NEMIS code and fill in a capitation grant form application....

Hon. Mulanya.

Hon. Mulanya, your question should be asked when the next question is raised. This one deals with registration on NEMIS. Take your seat. When the next Question by Hon. Ruweida Obo is asked, I will give you the chance to ride on it.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the question on Milimani Secondary School, I do not have that data and information. The Hon. Member could request those two headteachers to write to us so that we can understand...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Unfortunately, Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is no provision for re-imbursement. Since they were not in the system, it is not possible for us to do so. It might not be fair but that is the position. Perhaps, we...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba) : The approved capitation grant for secondary schools is Ksh22,244 per learner. For boarding schools, this amount is supplemented by household contributions that parents pay as boarding fees, also at prescribed rates. The breakdown of that approved...

Thank you, Hon. Obo. I have allowed you to say that much because of where you come from. The last joyrider will be Hon. Julius Sunkuli. He will take precedence.

Hon. Makali Mulu, and then lastly, Hon. Mulanya.

Thank you for the question. Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Makali Mulu is in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Take his questions very seriously. Lastly on this one, let us have Hon. Mulanya.

Noted, Hon. Mulanya. Cabinet Cabinet Secretary, before you sit, what percentage of the money goes to schools, or is there a definite percentage which goes towards general repair and maintenance that the Members here can help the Ministry cross-check when they do general oversight in their constituencies? The Cabinet Secretary...

Hon. (Dr) Joyce Osogo Bensuda, any rejoinder? Hon. Atieno Bensuda (Homa Bay County, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to appreciate the fair attempt by the Cabinet Secretary. However, I request the Cabinet Secretary to ensure that what he has explained has a lot of value by...

If it is not related to adult education, I will create time for general questions towards the end. Do we have any person who wants to ride on the matter of adult education? Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Cabinet Secretary, any further or additional policy guidelines you want to issue or clarify on the matter? The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Migos Ogamba) : Hon. Speaker, I am well guided that we need to provide the data so that we can show where the 148,000 centres in...

I regret the oversight. Question 44/2025 CRITERIA FOR ALLOCATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Cabinet Secretary for Education. Treasury. In the Financial Year 2024/2025, for example, Nachu Primary School in Kiambu County has been allocated Ksh5 million.On part three of the Question, the preliminary Report on the number of public schools in the country that lack playgrounds is provided for in Appendix III. We...

Hon. Waithaka, I told you to pick the hard copy response to your Question by the Cabinet Secretary from the Clerks-at-the-Table. If I heard the Cabinet Secretary clearly, his response stated the steps that the institution or the representative needs to take to get the kind of benefit you are...

Hon. Basil.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, your intended question relates to the matter of purchase of additional parcels of land for schools with inadequate land.

Hon. James Nyikal, I do not think Parliament sits in vain. The Cabinet Secretaries are given this platform so that most of those policy positions on critical things like certificates can be spoken about in Parliament as the nation watches. As Members of Parliament, we need to direct the people...

Thank you, Member for Turkana Central. I have given you a special leeway because of the nature of Turkana. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, if you have a response for the Member for Turkana Central, kindly proceed. Clarify on the matter that Hon. (Dr) Nyikal and other Members have raised in a...

Hon. Robert Basil, I am informed the Question was approved, but it arrived at the Table a bit late and so, it was not forwarded on time to the Cabinet Secretary. Therefore, it is not on the Order Paper unless the Cabinet Secretary, for some reason, has a response. Do...

Normally, we would say Parliament is functus officio on that question. However, Cabinet Secretary, just for clarity, proceed if you have something to say. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Migos Ogamba) : As I indicated, some policies and guidelines are being developed which will consider how those programmes...

Hon. Mawathe, what is the matter?

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo

Hon. Sigei.

Hon. Toroitich.

Cabinet Secretary, make your final remarks to the House. Let us have the responses for the Questions which have just been asked. If they will require a more substantive response in the future, please, indicate so. Make your final remarks so that we can discharge you. The Cabinet Secretary for...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. When we last adjourned on this particular Bill, I was making the point that some matters are too serious to be left to regulations. It is so grave where delegated legislation authority is being vested by this House anywhere, particularly where penalties of up to...

The Chairman, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Kimani Kuria will be heard in silence.

Hon. Kimani Kuria.

Hon. Kimani, do you want to be informed?

Hon. Maalim.

Thank you, Hon. Farah. In fact, Members, I want you to give Hon. Kuria Kimani time. Remember, I had directed that I want him to be heard in silence because of the deep understanding he has on these issues. Hon. Kuria Kimani.

Hon. Kimani, just before you sit, it is always very beneficial to hear from you. I do not know whether you have the Bill. On public benefit organisations, it says that the authority shall periodically identify organisations. I am doing this though I know you have wound up because of...

No! I am coming to that. To constantly raise a point of order when you are not recognised is in itself disorderly. You have to be recognised first. Hon. Murugara, in addition to what you want to say, I want you to open page

If the Authority can impose monetary, civil, or administrative sanctions for violations related, what are those administrative sanctions? Will there be a hearing and, if so, under what provision?

Thank you very much. Hon. Memusi Kanchory, you are recognised. Proceed.

Hon. Mogaka, you are next. Hon. Oundo, please, approach the Temporary Speaker. Hon. Mogaka, proceed.

Hon. Zamzam to second.

Hon. Members, I am the one who is presiding over the House. All these interventions are for the good of the proceedings of the House. So, allow me to manage and preside over the House. Hon. Farah Maalim has stood in his place and proposed that further discussion of this...

Hon. Gitonga Murugara, before you proceed to debate, kindly move the Motion as per the Order Paper. I know you are a very senior Member at this. Just read the Motion before you go into the details.

Hon. Mwengi Mutuse.

That is seconded. Okay.

Hon Zamzam Chimba, Member of Parliament for Mombasa County.

Hon. Umulkher Harun.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Member for Busia County.

Hon. George Sunkuyia.

Hon. Memusi Kanchory, Member for Mashuru area.

Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

The Hon. Kitilai ole Ntutu, Member of Parliament for Narok South.

There being no more interest on the Motion, may the Mover now reply.

Thank you for your voluntary guidance, Chair, Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (JLAC) . Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, the Question to this Motion will be put when it will next be scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred)...

Thank you, Chair, Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. In fact, looking at the title of the Motion, Treaty Making and Ratification, I think there is a mishap here.(Bill deferred)For the convenience of the House, this particular Bill will also be stepped down for the House's consideration in future,...